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Barack Obama has put his religion back into the headlines, trumpeting the power and salvation of faith and asking a church audience in South Carolina to help him become “an instrument of God” and join him in creating “a Kingdom right here on Earth."
Obama's church most definitely has some racial overtones but the good thing is he attracts a lot of the young voters and as their hero it may make many of them check out religion and faith. That cannot be bad for this country.
^ no Silas since it comes from FAUX and their smear campaign. What does Obama's pastor have to do with his own religious beliefs? He is quoted in the article saying that he doesn't agree with him all of the time religiously or politically.
"...the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."
Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, signed by President John Adams, approved by U.S. Senate 23-0
By way of balance.....
“The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity…I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and the attributes of God.”
[June 28, 1813; John Adams Letter to Thomas Jefferson]
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^ no Silas since it comes from FAUX and their smear campaign. What does Obama's pastor have to do with his own religious beliefs? He is quoted in the article saying that he doesn't agree with him all of the time religiously or politically.
You can find articles on Obama's church that say the same thing as Fox news and this has been out there for a while. When the racist component became public is the only time Obama tried to distance himself from that view but he has been a long time member. Most people look for another church if their beliefs are not in line with what they believe. Maybe Obama is imparting some faux news that he does not agree with his pastor religiously or politically?
The most important aspect is that Obama is saying religion and God are very important and this message will be what the youth will hear!
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By way of balance.....
“The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity…I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and the attributes of God.”
[June 28, 1813; John Adams Letter to Thomas Jefferson]
IMAGINE THAT! God and Christianity has been very much a part of this country from the start and Obama is in agreement with that.
“The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity…I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and the attributes of God.”
[June 28, 1813; John Adams Letter to Thomas Jefferson]
If you examine what the "general principles" were that Adams and Jefferson believed in any depth, you will discover that they exclude the existence of the supernatural. Back then, it was still possible to believe in God and be a materialist. Neither of them would've disagreed with the premise that if belief in God necessitated a belief in the supernatural, we should waste no time in discarding the God hypothesis.
If you examine what the "general principles" were that Adams and Jefferson believed in any depth, you will discover that they exclude the existence of the supernatural. Back then, it was still possible to believe in God and be a materialist. Neither of them would've disagreed with the premise that if belief in God necessitated a belief in the supernatural, we should waste no time in discarding the God hypothesis.
“We recognize no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!”
[April 18, 1775, on the eve of the Revolutionary War after a British major ordered John Adams, John Hancock, and those with them to disperse in “the name of George the Sovereign King of England." ]
“We recognize no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!”
[April 18, 1775, on the eve of the Revolutionary War after a British major ordered John Adams, John Hancock, and those with them to disperse in “the name of George the Sovereign King of England." ]
For one thing, it was Samuel Adams, not John Adams, who was with Hancock at Lexington. Secondly, a crackpot preacher (in this case, Jonas Clark) yelling something at a British major is not quite on a par with the founding document of the United States government, the Constitution, which, you may have noticed, contains zero references to God or Christianity.
For one thing, it was Samuel Adams, not John Adams, who was with Hancock at Lexington. Secondly, a crackpot preacher (in this case, Jonas Clark) yelling something at a British major is not quite on a par with the founding document of the United States government, the Constitution, which, you may have noticed, contains zero reference to God or Christianity.
“[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
[letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress]
As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?
-- John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816
I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson
It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticism that three are one and one is three, and yet, that the one is not three, and the three not one.... But this constitutes the craft, the power, and profits of the priests. Sweep away their gossamer fabrics of fictitious religion, and they would catch no more flies.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, August 22, 1813
The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
We find in the writings of [Jesus'] biographers [i.e. the Gospels] ... a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstitions, fanaticisms and fabrications.
-- Thomas Jefferson, to William Short, August 4, 1822
The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on nothing; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing and admits of no conclusion.
-- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith.
-- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
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