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So it would be better for Chrysler to ship the Jeeps from the U.S. to China?
What is it with people not understanding the difference between outsourcing and building for a specific market.
Is Toyota, BMW, MB, Nissan "outsourcing" when they build vehicles here?
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Originally Posted by Wayland Woman
What has the Republican Party done to tweak, change or knock down the Free Trade policies that allowed American factories to outsource in the years since Clinton? Nothing. What have the Democrats done? Nothing. The unions, on the other hand, have been fighting it tooth and nail for years with no results. Big business rules Washington on this issue. Neither party has clean hands.
Why are they attacking Mitt Romney when the root cause of the problems is Bill Clinton?
Amazing, just amazing that you COMPLETELY forgot Romney's statement that he "heard" Jeep is moving production to China, then the ads come out, which IMPLIES they are doing just that.
He used crap information to make points in Ohio, not giving a damn that it may hurt Jeep sales, because the "sheeple" who believe him will stop buying Jeeps.
Man, you must have nailed those blinders on.
I think the ignorance shoe is firmly on the other foot, here.
What do you expect from a Romney supporter? Romnesia.
There isn't even a debate here about what he meant or said. The CEO of the company had to calm down workers who were panicking and asking their managers if their jobs were safe. Romney said their jobs were being sent to China. Period.
[URL="http://www.examiner.com/article/chrysler-s-ceo-sergio-marchionne-calls-romney-out-for-jeep-to-china-lies"]Chrysler's CEO Sergio Marchionne Calls Romney out for Jeep to China lies[/URL]
[url=http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121026/POLITICS01/210260402]Romney picks up incorrect story about Jeep production moving to China | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com[/url]
"I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state Jeep — now owned by the Italians — is thinking of moving all production to China," Romney said at a rally in Defiance, Ohio,
Now I sign onto C-D and see posts stating he NEVER SAID jobs were being moved to China.
Romnesia isn't really similar to amnesia. With amnesia you forget. With Romnesia, you lie and lie until you hope other people will forget.
What do you expect from a Romney supporter? Romnesia.
There isn't even a debate here about what he meant or said. The CEO of the company had to calm down workers who were panicking and asking their managers if their jobs were safe. Romney said their jobs were being sent to China. Period.
Let's not forget that the only reason Jeep or any American brand automaker has been able to outsource to places like China is because of the free trade policies first put into place by Democrat President Bill Clinton.
It disgusts me as a union member that unions continue to support the Democrat Party which is ultimately responsible for outsourcing labor from in this country. Want to lose your union job? Keep supporting the free trade policies the Democrat Party has been pushing for over 20 years
BINGO!!! Why does no one talk about Bill Clinton and NAFTA, which truly was the beginning of the end for American manufacturing?
In case any of you don't live in the Toledo area and want to know what really goes on here with Jeep, I can tell you this. The bailout did much to render the UAW and other unions virtually powerless. Pensions have been raped, and the starting wage of a worker on the line of any of the Big Three went from $28/hr. to $14.50/hr. IOW, from a living wage you could support a famly on, to peanuts, comparitively speaking. I live in the thick of Big Three bailout country, and there is no momentum or excitement here for Obama this time around, none. Sure, the unions are still behind him, but you would barely know it. I know many, many people who are union members who have gotten nary a political mailing this time around when back in 2008 their mailboxes were fairly exploding with "Hope and Change" Obama propaganda. I live in a town with a large percentage of people whose livelihoods are tied to the automotive industry and yet Romney signs are abundant, including in the yards of some actual Big Three line workers. The "feel good" Obama message of four years ago is gone here, replaced by, "yeah, the government bailed us out, but what did we get as a result???"
Suffice to say, Michigan, which was as blue as blue gets in the past umpteen Presidential elections, is now a swing state. So much for "Obama the Savior". But I appreciate what he has done, which is come the closest to turning my beautiful adopted home state red of any Democratic candidate since I've lived here.
No where does it imply that production in Ohio is being shut down. What it does do is question how billions in taxpayer dollars spent on the bailout, now being spent on facilities to bring production to China, is helping the US autoworkers? The workers that the taxpaying public were told were to benefit from their generosity. Their may be value for the US taxpayers when their money is spent on investment in US facilities...it is much harder to see what they get out of adding employment in China.
Perhaps both Chrysler and GM could pay the US taxpayers back before investing in Chinese facilities.
Well Dems, just how does Chrysler's investment in China help US auto workers?
More importantly, with regard to the ad...is the Obama administration lying? Or simply innocent idiots, that lack basic skills in reading comprehension? Come to think of it...maybe there is a good reason Obama won't release his transcripts or SAT scores.
You must be one of those low-information voters we keep hearing about.
The story isn't the ad. The story is that Romney told lies about Chrysler moving production to China, started getting called on his lies, and then took out ads parroting his statements that were already proved to be lies.
Chrysler IS moving production to China. They are not moving ALL of their production to China at this time, but they are planning on building manufacturing there. If they are so gung ho about America, then why not build the Jeeps here and ship them to China? God knows enough American companies build stuff in China and then ship it here. Although...Chrysler really isn't an American company anymore, so who knows what they will ultimately do?
[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-21/fiat-says-china-may-build-all-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs.html]Fiat Says Jeep Output May Return to China as Demand Rises - Bloomberg[/url]
Apparently you also have Romnesia. The article in no way indicates production in this country will stop, be reduced or change. In fact, more jobs are being added in Detroit.
Do the people who hang onto these lies fail to realize that almost every Japanese car we buy was probably made right here in the good old USA? Example: Anyone own a Toyota? Look up the list of countries in which Toyota has manufacturing plants. I have a Camry.
[URL="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/07/toyota-camry-beats-ford-f-150-as-most-american-made/1#.UJQLqsXA9so"]Toyota Camry beats Ford F-150 as most 'American made'[/URL]
It is very costly to ship automobiles. All the article says is that, because Jeeps are so popular in China, the company was thinking about "returning" manufacturing to that country.
Why is it that, when even the CEO of the company says Romney completely misinterpreted the article and didn't fact check the source, Republicans keep spinning it?
By the way, as the above linked article points out:
Here are the 10 most American vehicles and where they're made:
Toyota Camry, Georgetown, Ky., and Lafayette, Ind.
Ford F-150, Dearborn, Mich., and Claycomo, Mo.
Honda Accord, Marysville, Ohio
Toyota Sienna, Princeton, Ind.
Honda Pilot, Lincoln, Ala.
Chevrolet Traverse, Lansing, Mich.
Toyota Tundra, San Antonio
Jeep Liberty, Toledo, Ohio
GMC Acadia, Lansing
Buick Enclave, Lansing
Please let me know if any of these manufacturing plants have been closed, since the article is 3 years old. I just don't have the patience to keep debating this issue, since both GM and Chrysler have debunked Romney's lies.
EDIT: Here's a more recently article
[URL="http://wot.motortrend.com/toyota-builds-25-millionth-vehicle-in-north-america-a-2013-avalon-hybrid-284303.html"]Toyota Builds 25 Millionth Vehicle in North America, A 2013 Avalon Hybrid[/URL]
Building cars in another country, especially where they are in demand, isn't the same as closing factories at home, and that is what Mitt Romney told people. He said they were going to lose their jobs. End of story.
Romney claimed American jobs were being outsourced to China; that is completely 100% false when it comes to Jeep. That's a FACT.
Romney has a problem with not being honest. He has been caught deliberately lying 533 times in just the last 90 days. That's just the big ones which he has been caught on; even for lying politicians that is a new record.
No where does it imply that production in Ohio is being shut down. What it does do is question how billions in taxpayer dollars spent on the bailout, now being spent on facilities to bring production to China, is helping the US autoworkers? The workers that the taxpaying public were told were to benefit from their generosity. Their may be value for the US taxpayers when their money is spent on investment in US facilities...it is much harder to see what they get out of adding employment in China.
Perhaps both Chrysler and GM could pay the US taxpayers back before investing in Chinese facilities.
Well Dems, just how does Chrysler's investment in China help US auto workers?
More importantly, with regard to the ad...is the Obama administration lying? Or simply innocent idiots, that lack basic skills in reading comprehension? Come to think of it...maybe there is a good reason Obama won't release his transcripts or SAT scores.
Which is better, Toyman?
Chinese workers assembling American made parts, or American workers assembling Chinese made parts?
The jobs in the first are tenuous; assembly plants add and cut the workforce often and rapidly as demand comes and goes. The parts manufacturers' workers stay at their jobs, making parts for the assembly plants that are booming and making brand new parts for cars that will be introduced in the future.
Perhaps if we regained some of the heavy industry we shipped offshore, our economy would solidly recover. Parts manufacturing produces far more jobs than assembly in these days of robotics.
Chrysler IS moving production to China. They are not moving ALL of their production to China at this time, but they are planning on building manufacturing there. If they are so gung ho about America, then why not build the Jeeps here and ship them to China? God knows enough American companies build stuff in China and then ship it here. Although...Chrysler really isn't an American company anymore, so who knows what they will ultimately do?
No, they aren't moving production to China.
What don't you understand about these words?
[URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57542594/chrysler-ceo-jeep-not-moving-to-china/"]Chrysler CEO: Jeep not moving to China[/URL]
"I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China," Fiat-Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne wrote in a blog post on the company's website today. The statement comes as the Romney campaign doubled down on the claim, which fact-checkers have also deemed false, with a new radio ad in Ohio.
"In fact, U.S. production of our Jeep models has nearly tripled (it is expected to be up 185%) since 2009 in order to keep up with global demand," Marchionne wrote.
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