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View Poll Results: Does Ron Paul have a real chance at winning?
Yes 74 49.33%
No 76 50.67%
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Old 11-11-2007, 06:52 PM
 
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I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul even if I thought he could win. I don't doubt the man's integrity a bit, but I disagree with a great deal of his politics.

I'll be voting. Just not for Ron Paul.
Fair enough but then why add mention of this line:

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"Meet the new boss ... same as the old boss."
When if in any stretch of the imagination, nearly every other candidate is just that... more of the same. If you are suggesting that Ron Paul is in any way like Howard Dean or Ross Perot, I would be curious if you could extrapolate to how you come to that conclusion and based upon what?
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Old 11-11-2007, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Fair enough but then why add mention of this line:
Bad context on my part perhaps. My point was that I've heard all this before -- with Dean, Nader, Perot, etc., etc.

Ron Paul may be a great guy. Might even make a great President. But that's got nothing to do with being elected President. Sad, but true.
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Old 11-11-2007, 07:31 PM
 
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Bad context on my part perhaps. My point was that I've heard all this before -- with Dean, Nader, Perot, etc., etc.

Ron Paul may be a great guy. Might even make a great President. But that's got nothing to do with being elected President. Sad, but true.
Well I will say Ron Paul has a LONG way to go in order to reach more of the mainstream electorate but there is time and considering how far he has come thus far. I very well may be a fool for clinging to the small bit of idealism I have left but I'll be damned if I will ever say I voted for the lesser of two evils because they stood a better chance. It is exactly this manner of thinking that keeps this country mired in our ignorant two party unwritten contract between polished liars and people too stupid and too lazy to think for themselves.

Ron Paul very well may not be our next President, however there has been a revitalization of thinking and active civic minded people, and this is always a good thing.
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Ron Paul very well may not be our next President, however there has been a revitalization of thinking and active civic minded people, and this is always a good thing.
I agree. However, I have to point out that I heard the exact same thing from the Democratic side of the fence when Dean bowed out last time.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

I admire your idealism, but until we have serious election and campaign finance reform in this country, things aren't going to change. As long as we have a system that requires elected officials to spend most of their time raising funds, of course they are going to cater to constituents with big bucks. Why wouldn't they?
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:19 PM
 
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You want election and campaign reform? I am sure Ron Paul, if anyone, would more than likely tackle this problem than ANY of the candidates. Vote Ron Paul, Wohooo!
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Maine
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You want election and campaign reform? I am sure Ron Paul, if anyone, would more than likely tackle this problem than ANY of the candidates. Vote Ron Paul, Wohooo!
You're probably right. But Ron Paul isn't going to win. He's going to lose, and he's going to lose huge.
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:32 PM
 
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I agree. However, I have to point out that I heard the exact same thing from the Democratic side of the fence when Dean bowed out last time.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

I admire your idealism, but until we have serious election and campaign finance reform in this country, things aren't going to change. As long as we have a system that requires elected officials to spend most of their time raising funds, of course they are going to cater to constituents with big bucks. Why wouldn't they?
The irony here being is that the very thing you say is most needed (election and campaign reform) is an issue completely ignored by nearly every candidate except for Ron Paul. Pardon me if I find this odd.

Each post election cycle is filled with folks bummed out because they claim they have the choice between the two people who would do the least amount of damage and wish they had a candidate that would stand for something. Yet every other election cycle or so a candidate does come along who does represent real change and the people then say ah well, he doesn't have a chance so why waste a vote. In the end it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

I have no doubts it is easier to vote for what is popular instead of what is right, it is the very manner of thinking that brought us all George W Bush x 2.
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:39 PM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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People that are putting their money where their mouths are feel differently. His odds are now 6-1 at sportsbook.com. If you are so certain, you should put some money on the other candidates.

2008 US Presidential Betting Odds (November 8) (http://www.gambling911.com/2008-US-Presidential-Betting-Odds-110807.html - broken link)
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:42 PM
 
Location: South Central PA
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You're probably right. But Ron Paul isn't going to win. He's going to lose, and he's going to lose huge.
Core RP supporters are fanatics (I am one) and would stand with him at Thermopylae, and will make sure they vote. The other candidates don't have that dedicated support and will cost them.
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:56 PM
 
Location: OKC, OK
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He could. Just today, Ron Paul was featured in a piece on CNN, an interview on CBS, and PBS's "The McLauglin Group (where they said he could win the GOP nomination). AND there was article on him in the NY Times. This weekend could represent a huge turning point in getting Mr. Paul some national exposure. And how about all his fund raising?? Can you feel the pendulum swinging his way?
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