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I am so tired of Pubs and Dems. In my long lifetime, I am a Dem turned Pub and now I don't like either and have no zest to vote. I am interested in this Ben Carson guy and will see if he stays true to what he says.
Where are you pulling this stuff from? Let me guess.
And btw, it doesn't matter that you don't like Hillary or think she is an "ice queen." the majority of people like her, people who have worked for and with her like her and she's also popular with the rest of the world. She's funny, smart, self-deprecating and has a great sense of humor. I think perhaps you are projecting the ice.
In the end, assuming she runs, all that nonsense talk about her persona is bunk. What's going to matter more is that the electoral college base for the Democrats is much larger than for the Republicans going into 2016, and appears to change very little unless the GOP can change their policy positions that alienate a large segment of the electorate.
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I think her as well as Elizabeth Warren are beatable. If they challenge one another in the primaries, it will be an expensive dog fight and whoever comes out will be damaged severely. Both have baggage that can be attacked if the Republican nominee will use it. Neither one is a shoe in.
In the end, assuming she runs, all that nonsense talk about her persona is bunk. What's going to matter more is that the electoral college base for the Democrats is much larger than for the Republicans going into 2016, and appears to change very little unless the GOP can change their policy positions that alienate a large segment of the electorate.
Amen. Until the GOP comes up with a message that can appeal to the Blue Wall, all Repubs should be mainly concerned with who becomes the Democratic nominee. They are the next POTUS.
Hillary can fall a full 5 points and if the election was held today, would be walking away with a big win.
More importantly, her bumps upward and downward in popularity have been less severe than any other candidate from either party. That smells like electability to me!
Hillary can fall a full 5 points and if the election was held today, would be walking away with a big win.
More importantly, her bumps upward and downward in popularity have been less severe than any other candidate from either party. That smells like electability to me!
That is because GOP voters aren't as monolithic and lemminglike as Democrat Party voters.
"Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line."
Monolithic? That's basically Republicans. Lemminglike? This word doesn't exist but if it does, it sounds like Republicans as well.
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Exactly. Look at how some hyper-Tea Party types get all angry at Republicans with very solid conservative voting records (such as Mitch McConnell) and call them RINOs and apostates.
That is because GOP voters aren't as monolithic and lemminglike as Democrat Party voters.
Nonsense. In this era, we do not see Dems calling other Democrats DINOs. There is room for the DLC style Dem today, just as there was room for Joe Lieberman.
But we hear moderate Repubs called RINOs all the time. That is a lemminglike mindset, doubling down on D-U-M-B as the GOP are smaller in quantity than either Independents and Registered Democrats already.
Fill in the letter before INOs, and you just found the lemmings. They are the party whose first letter fills in that blank.
Jindal is correct-in this era, the GOP has become the Party of Stupid, thanks largely to its under-educated, rural wing nut base. It also is, not coincidentally, locked out of the Oval Office, as it should be, until it comes back TO America. Not vice versa.
No lemmings involved in the graph I linked.
What it shows is pack of candidates who are all pretty close together in both parties, except for one who who has a double digit lead above all the others in popularity and name recognition- Hillary Clinton.
The closest Republican, who leads the GOP popularity pack, is Mike Huckabee. The least favorable is Joe Biden.
What the graph does not show is the difference between recognition and popularity. The two seems to have been averaged together.
Say what you will, but Gallup does not lie. If the elections was held today, Clinton would win. The distant Dem runner-up is Elizabeth Warren. It also shows Rubio and Paul are more popular than Jindal, Ryan & Perry, and they are more popular than Walker, Cruz or Christie. Santorum is as unpopular as Biden.
There is a lot of stuff that will change; this is still a long way off from election day. But with no doubt, Hillary Clinton IS electable as of right now, just as she has been all year.
Attacking her isn't going to work any better than it has already. The GOP needs to go find someone who will be more popular than Huckabee, and that isn't Paul, Rubio, Cruz, or Christie.
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