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The Media is no longer all liberal (and it hasn't been in quite a while). The GOP now has their own television and online news networks (and applicable reporters & journalists) with equal following and airtime.
Liberal and conservative alike both media groups are completely bought and paid for by large corporate interests these days. They are owned by their advertisers and if you follow their corporate hierarchies to the top you learn quickly that the few individuals who actually make decisions about what is aired are not interested in news neutrality.
The "poll results" everyone in the Media present today are biased pictures of what they want you to believe so as to encourage you to vote in a particular way this Presidential election.
Advertising 101 teaches that you can not only change someone's opinion of a product through repeat exposure of messaging, but that you can change someone's worldview over enough time. We would thus do well to try to distance ourselves from what the "polls" have to say, in particular from what bought & paid for news sources share. Most people at this forum seem to understand this. Most people who express support for Ron Paul also understand this.
The Media is no longer all liberal (and it hasn't been in quite a while). The GOP now has their own television and online news networks (and applicable reporters & journalists) with equal following and airtime.
Liberal and conservative alike both media groups are completely bought and paid for by large corporate interests these days. They are owned by their advertisers and if you follow their corporate hierarchies to the top you learn quickly that the few individuals who actually make decisions about what is aired are not interested in news neutrality.
The "poll results" everyone in the Media present today are biased pictures of what they want you to believe so as to encourage you to vote in a particular way this Presidential election.
Advertising 101 teaches that you can not only change someone's opinion of a product through repeat exposure of messaging, but that you can change someone's worldview over enough time. We would thus do well to try to distance ourselves from what the "polls" have to say, in particular from what bought & paid for news sources share. Most people at this forum seem to understand this. Most people who express support for Ron Paul also understand this.
What TV media owners are not liberal? Fox News used to be conservative but no more.
The Media is no longer all liberal (and it hasn't been in quite a while). The GOP now has their own television and online news networks (and applicable reporters & journalists) with equal following and airtime.
Liberal and conservative alike both media groups are completely bought and paid for by large corporate interests these days. They are owned by their advertisers and if you follow their corporate hierarchies to the top you learn quickly that the few individuals who actually make decisions about what is aired are not interested in news neutrality.
The "poll results" everyone in the Media present today are biased pictures of what they want you to believe so as to encourage you to vote in a particular way this Presidential election.
Advertising 101 teaches that you can not only change someone's opinion of a product through repeat exposure of messaging, but that you can change someone's worldview over enough time. We would thus do well to try to distance ourselves from what the "polls" have to say, in particular from what bought & paid for news sources share. Most people at this forum seem to understand this. Most people who express support for Ron Paul also understand this.
Agree 1000%. Polls and polling organizations are rapidly forsaking their independence, and are becoming Media participants. And Media has all but abandoned its objectivity and truth-seeking, and have replaced those virtues with focus groups and account relationships.
I'm not suggesting conspiracy. Rather, I'm pointing to a business model that's no longer about independent data-seeking, and more about joining in the ratings/sales game. And we know that revenues and independence are like dirt and water: combined, they make a muddy mess.
They sell us poll after poll after poll after poll after poll after poll after poll after poll....you get the picture.
And why? The numbers go up and down. Rudy seemed like a sure winner, but now is struggling to stay at the front. The media airs stories of support for candidates, and then trashes them when they get to the top only to shuffle it all back around again. Why? To keep you distracted from the reality that none of their polls mattered anyway, only when the voters show up does it count for anything.
Right now, Yeledaf's favorite polling sight at realclearpolitics.com shows John Edwards beating every republican candidate in general election head to heads. That is nothing short of laughable. But its all an agenda anyway to keep people dependent on the MSM stories and control of discussions regarding the election.
Advertising 101 teaches that you can not only change someone's opinion of a product through repeat exposure of messaging, but that you can change someone's worldview over enough time. We would thus do well to try to distance ourselves from what the "polls" have to say, in particular from what bought & paid for news sources share. Most people at this forum seem to understand this. Most people who express support for Ron Paul also understand this.
Well this is something I have been claiming for years. Media, news, etc... are profit driven and the best way to maximize profit is through advertising. Beyond even that, there has been for some time the coalescences of propaganda and marketing which used to sell different products but now are basically one in the same. For example the following quote or two, which many I am sure are familiar with.
"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
-- Leading Nazi leader, Hermann Goering, at the Nuremberg Trials before he was sentenced to death
And...
"The great masses of people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. Especially if it is repeated over and over."
-- Adolph Hitler
Now these are extreme examples, however if one stops and ponders a moment. How does an entire nation of reasonably intelligent and sophisticated people elect a man who will soon become one of the most horrendous butchers in human history? Could they not see this man for what he was? Of course, if we examine the methods of selling these men, it then becomes a bit more clear.
Looking back, several things but the most important or influential things were the subtle use of propaganda, a scape goat, and a population of well meaning, thoughtful individuals on the edge of being in financial ruin.
It is the fact that it could happen even here in which should make most want to closer examine their government and media and their role in it.
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Originally Posted by tnbound2day
The MSM has become an enemy of mine.
The media is merely selling a product and although I tend to share your insights, I also look at media as a tool. A tool that with the internet, a telephone, and a little time, I too can use, just as I am right now.
Remember now...
"Oh Mortal Man, is there nothing you cannot be made to believe?"
-- Adam Weishaupt
After a wasted day of watching cable news for about 4 hours, I saw many polls, all were different. What was funny was that Fox News shows how many people were included in their poll. In the Rasmussen Iowa poll, there was a little under 500 participants. In the national poll a little over 1,000 participants. Funny that represents less than one half of one half percent of the electorate.
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The polls of today are very accurate for the most part. Especially tracking polls (where people are polled constantly and the results constantly tabulated as opposed to snap shot polls). No candidate can ignore them.
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Originally Posted by JustinFromBoise
After a wasted day of watching cable news for about 4 hours, I saw many polls, all were different. What was funny was that Fox News shows how many people were included in their poll. In the Rasmussen Iowa poll, there was a little under 500 participants. In the national poll a little over 1,000 participants. Funny that represents less than one half of one half percent of the electorate.
1000 people however is a large enough sample to produce a fairly accurate poll. Usually they tell you the "margin of error" which goes down as the sample size goes up.
I tried to post this as a separate question, but it wouldn't go. Do you have to vote in the primary to then vote in the Presidential election?
no (adding filler so my answer is long enough to get posted)
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