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You were saying about Marco Rubio being stripped of his citizenship because he was -- what --an anchor baby according to you....?
Of course he is an anchor baby. The babies of tourists are anchor babies too. Anyone born in US to non-citizen parents are anchor babies. Not everyone swims across the river to get to US to give birth to babies. Some fly in 1st class, and some take a raft from Cuba. Europeans don't even need a visa to come to US (they get waivers), but their babies are US citizens if they were born here.
Feel free to believe Trump can deliver, but I am taking a more realistic view to his promises.
Of course he is an anchor baby. The babies of tourists are anchor babies too. Anyone born in US to non-citizen parents are anchor babies. Not everyone swims across the river to get to US to give birth to babies. Some fly in 1st class, and some take a raft from Cuba. Europeans don't even need a visa to come to US (they get waivers), but their babies are US citizens if they were born here.
Feel free to believe Trump can deliver, but I am taking a more realistic view to his promises.
Raffy and Rubio better be worried that Mr. Trump won't retroactively make them non-citizens. How funny would that be.
The 14 Amendment is very clear despite attempts to obfuscate and to limit it to slaves.
"Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. "
Slavery is only mentioned once in the 14th amendment, and that is down in Section 4 about not being able to claim damages for the loss of your property (your slaves).
"But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave;"
"AND" subject to the jurisdiction is your clue and qualifier here. Illegal aliens nor their offspring are subject to our jurisdiction they are only subject to obeying our laws.
The 14 Amendment is very clear despite attempts to obfuscate and to limit it to slaves.
"Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. "
Slavery is only mentioned once in the 14th amendment, and that is down in Section 4 about not being able to claim damages for the loss of your property (your slaves).
"But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave;"
How many illegal aliens were brought here against their will and put into slavery, for them and their kids to be held to the 14th amendment.
The 14th Amendment was not intended for tourist, or there would have never been an Ellis Island.
Thanks for sharing your personal view. "All persons", means all persons, and I do not believe Supreme Court will interpret it any other way, and I do not believe you can revoke citizenship from people who were born that way. It would actually strip Marco Rubio of his citizenship.
Well, a little thing like the 14th amendment can't slow down the great Donald! He fails to mention that in his grand plan. I wonder if he realizes he won't be King and won't get to actually DO whatever pops into his head. OR if he does - it will take YEARS; not days, weeks or months.
"AND" subject to the jurisdiction is your clue and qualifier here. Illegal aliens nor their offspring are subject to our jurisdiction they are only subject to obeying our laws.
The baby is always subject to the jurisdiction of the US immediately upon birth. That's what this Forbes article says, too:
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In Wong, the Court concluded that the phrase referred to one who is required to obey U.S. law and that, accordingly, the Fourteenth Amendment guaranteed citizenship to almost all children born on US soil as such a person would be obligated to obey U.S. law.
No matter, if the legal argument is even remotely close, the Roberts Court is not going to rule to enact such a drastic change by judicial fiat. Watch. Remember ACA? Twice?
Well, a little thing like the 14th amendment can't slow down the great Donald! He fails to mention that in his grand plan. I wonder if he realizes he won't be King and won't get to actually DO whatever pops into his head. OR if he does - it will take YEARS; not days, weeks or months.
He won't do all those things without congress and a team of lawyers that can investigate the law. It's high time we had someone who has the guts to stand up for the rule of law and stop this bastardizing of our birthright citizenship.
Regardless of what you think of Donald Trump, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know he is smart, cunning, and downright brilliant in his approach to illegal immigration.
To begin, he knows, and understands what the constitution states about people born in this country.
He isn't stupid, and I believe there is a method to his plans.
When he is President, he will approach this illegal situation just as he has stated he will, knowing full well it will be tied up in the courts for years.
Meanwhile, through executive order, he will order the deportation of all illegals, and by the time the court rules, he will have deported a slew of them, and even though the court will uphold the constitutionality with there ruling, it is highly doubtful the court will rule that those deported under Trump's executive order, would be allowed to return.
I also think a cease and desist order from any court would take time, there by allowing many more to be deported in the meantime.
A smart team of lawyers (which I am convinced Trump has) can, and will tie the immigration matter up for years in the courts.
Trump, in fighting a cease and desist order will fight that deportation is being carried out in the interest of national security, and the court would have to weigh all sides of the argument before ruling on a cease and desist, meanwhile, the deportations continue.
As I said above, Trump is not stupid.
He knows damm well what he is doing.
I believe his policy on immigration will more than likely keep him high in the polls, and people like me, who can read between the lines, know full well what he intends to do.
He knows full well he can't just willy nilly deport all of them, but he also knows he can get rid of millions before ordered by the court to cease and desist, and it is highly doubtful those deported could, or would want to return.
Meanwhile the other policies he is intent on fulfilling, will be in motion.
Bob.
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