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Old 10-05-2015, 01:46 PM
 
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The privatized health care system is extremely inefficient. A national health care system is the way to go, just like every other civilized country does it.
They don't accept the waste and fraud we do though. They would never allow their politicians to do what ours have done to the V.A.

In Japan if a politician did this they would be expected to go off in the woods and end it all.

I support many of these programs but I fully acknowledge that those who argue that the government is extremely inefficient have a very valid argument. For those who support these programs the answer lies with you, not them. It's not they that have to change but you. You have to quit defending the failed politics of the past. Obama royally screwed up health care. I'll even knock Sanders for acknowledging that but still voting for it. Yes, he was a part of the problem here.

Far too many are far too willing to defend failed politicians because of being an extreme partisan. If that is you, stop it.

 
Old 10-05-2015, 01:47 PM
 
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Answer this question: Will raising corporate taxes encourage businesses to stay on U.S. soil?
I dont encourage raising the nominal corporate tax rate.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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I dont encourage raising the nominal corporate tax rate.
How would you raise taxes on corporations then?

Not only that, but you completely side-stepped the question.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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I'm just stating the obvious. If you're not willing to dole out the money voluntarily, why do you have any right to force people to do the same?
I AM doling out the money. I pay a lot in taxes. It's hypocritical of me to want to see it spent more efficiently before handing over more of it?
 
Old 10-05-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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When was the announcement that a medicare-for-all system will be implemented because of increased tax revenue? I missed it.
Why would you want Medicare for all? Medicare recipients have to pay premiums (Medicare tax) for decades before they're eligible to collect Medicare benefits. That's what you want?
 
Old 10-05-2015, 01:50 PM
 
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I AM doling out the money. I pay a lot in taxes. It's hypocritical of me to want to see it spent more efficiently before handing over more of it?
When you advocate for other people being forced to give more, you should at least have the decency to give more voluntarily first. Bernie has been driving home the point of taxing people and corporations MORE, not spending more efficiently.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 01:50 PM
 
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Uh, I assume you're a Reagan fan, right? After airline deregulation of the 1980's, many new airlines started popping up. That's what free-enterprise is all about.
Tax payers also were forced to bail out airlines......that is NOT what free enterprise is all about.

Big Airlines Benefit from Bailout Bill | Taxpayers for Common Sense
 
Old 10-05-2015, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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When corporations and the rich flee for tax havens, who will be left to tax? Think about the long-term effects of such economic proposals, not short-term socialist fairy tales rooted solely in failed ideology.
Ah, so you believe the world works like an Ayn Rand novel and the rich will go Galt. When in history has this happened? We have historically had upper-income tax-rates far higher than today's. Where did the rich flee? They didn't.

Also, there is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that raising taxes on the higher income taxpayers reduces economic growth. The GOP said in the 1990s if Clinton raised taxes there would be a recession. Clinton raised taxes and not only was there no recession but the economy boomed. Bush cut taxes and the economy was mediocre and crashed. Obama raised taxes and there was no loss to the economy.

It's very easy to test the "tax-cuts increase economic activity" theory using historical data and the conclusion is that it is unsupported.
 
Old 10-05-2015, 01:52 PM
 
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Tax payers also were forced to bail out airlines......that is NOT what free enterprise is all about.

Big Airlines Benefit from Bailout Bill | Taxpayers for Common Sense
Was that article written in the 1980's? No, it was written in 2002.

Has following Bernie Sanders so blindly ruined your sense of time as well?
 
Old 10-05-2015, 01:53 PM
 
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When you advocate for other people being forced to give more, you should at least have the decency to give more voluntarily first.
Where have I done that? (there is one area, I do support this but it's because it's MY money)

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Bernie has been driving home the point of taxing people and corporations MORE, not spending more efficiently.
He has called for a tax on trades. I support this as it was I that was forced to pay taxes to bail out Wall Street and I believe it's fair for tax payers to get some of this money back.

P.S. How do you propose we pay off our Trillions and debt and never ending wars? (I asked this question earlier with no answer)
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