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Writing checks that your *** can't cash is why the Republican base and the Tea contingent are upset with the establishment GOP. Of course the base and the TP folks aren't realists either.
Some of the broken and unrealistic promises or talking points included:
Repealing Obamacare
Opposing Marriage Equality
It wasn't due to a lack of effort. McConnell and Boehner definitely did everything they could to obstruct Obama at every turn. What distinguishes these guys from the "true believers" is that they're realists about politics (you can't get everything you want, and the Executive has veto power over legislation.
Now in the highly unlikely scenario that Trump actually can get elected - he's in for a rude surprise, or more likely, his supporters are. How's he gonna get stuff through Congress? You think his scattershot gratuitous Twitter insults are gonna impress folks like McConnell?
Trump and Bernie would unite Congress, against them. They might even unite enough to pass veto- proof legislation.
As someone who kind of supports Trump, (meaning I will vote for him, and hope his past successes and accomplishments hold well in the Oval office), there is one issue I cant get passed. Clearly its not enough to keep me from voting for him, but thats due to a lack of other options.
That one issue is.
Over promises to the point that you set the goal far too high, so no matter whats done, it could be rated a failure.
Look at ACA, which was promised to cut the deficit, premiums, increase benefits, and insuring everyone. Nope.. there are a few minor benefits to the law, but the lack of results, will always be outweighed by the promises that were made that are total failures.
The economy has hardly budged since Obama was sworn in, the only difference is the economy is no longer collapsing, but policies were set in stone prior to Obama being sworn in which caused that, even though Obama will always get the credit.
Just like any improvement which would take place during a Trump Presidency, would come as the very same policies, and things like economic cycles.
My concern would be that Trump, who brags all the time non stop, could over promise to the point that nothing he does, could be construed as a success, even if they are improvements.
While some of that may be somewhat true, NO ONE has as many problems as this current President. He categorically and with purpose, lied. If you like your doctor....all the while knowing full well he had NO intention of keeping it...anything Trump promises on the other hand may/may not be out of ignorance or malice....my guess is that he has no idea what he is getting into but, I love his candor....something only a very rich person can afford to do.....Perot, believe it or not, was the same.
So you've fallen for the promises have you, no matter how unfeasible they seem?
What gives you tha timpression?
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We won't talk about Trump's multiple corporate bankruptcies that left his creditors with cents on the $. Those creditors included big banks and small businesses. The big banks write off bad loans and life goes on. A small business is more likely to fail if a major customer does not pay them.
So in your mind, its better to have never done a dam thing in your life, than to try thousands of times, and succeed thousands of times, because the few failures, outweigh the thousands of successes?
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We won't talk about the Trump family of clothing, shoes, bags and jewelry all made elsewhere.
Good, cause thats immaterial to anything relevant
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We won't talk about the two- way street of tariffs and the impact on exports.
Presidents dont have control to do whatever they want. Doesnt matter, his talks are no different than trade deals "negotiated" by ever other President.
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We won't talk about how Mexico has more free- trade agreements with the rest of the world which is a major attraction for European and US auto manufacturers, well beyond lower wages.
All primary and nominee candidates seek to create the perception that they can wave a magic wand and make it all better p, never mind Congress. They all over promise. Those who get elected never live up to all the campaign promises they made.
The economy has hardly budged since Obama was sworn in, the only difference is the economy is no longer collapsing, but policies were set in stone prior to Obama being sworn in which caused that, even though Obama will always get the credit.
Dow, January 2009: 7,949.09
Dow, October 2015: 17,004.55
Actually, what Trump is promising is nothing like Obama promised.
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The difference is Trump has a successful past that many hope can be taken into the White House. Things like cutting costs, balancing the budgets etc.
Obama. voted Present..
Yes, that is the difference, Trump has a successful past. Obama turned out to have a lot of creepy skeletons in his closet. Obama from day 1 was a failure. The majority of people knew ACA would be exactly what it has turned out to be, crappy in every way.
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While some of that may be somewhat true, NO ONE has as many problems as this current President. He categorically and with purpose, lied. If you like your doctor....all the while knowing full well he had NO intention of keeping it...anything Trump promises on the other hand may/may not be out of ignorance or malice....my guess is that he has no idea what he is getting into but, I love his candor....something only a very rich person can afford to do.....Perot, believe it or not, was the same.
The two can tell it like it is.
Right. The promises that Obama made were "dreams" not based on anything more than him running his mouth and saying what he thought would get him elected and we all know that he is simply the puppet of those that got him elected.
There needed to be a comprehensive plan. The US will never get out of the hole until we reinstate the tariffs on incoming goods and get decent paying jobs, jobs people are proud to hold versus the current unemployment and underemployment that so many are plagued by under the reign of Obama. Free up the billions supporting illegal immigrants..........
Trump sees the big picture and the business end has been neglected for quite some time now and that is where Trump would shine. Once we start producing income, if Trump can get that done, which I think he can, the rest comes rather easily. So many programs suffer with the loss of the interest income and taxes that used to be generated when people had good paying jobs and were making a decent return on investments. Trump is the man!
Mr. Mon: You and others interested might want to look a little further: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/...esident-obama/ You will have to read through the entire article or skip Obama bragging and jump to the bottom where they look a little harder at the economy under Obuma. How many of us are better off than we were? We have a LOT of businesses close here or severely reduce their workforce since Obama became POTUS. Also, new jobs don't pay very much and with forced insurance purchase.............
Dow, January 2009: 7,949.09
Dow, October 2015: 17,004.55
The DOW is not an indicator of the economy In fact it very much can counter the economy because companies are profiting at the public expense, especially the bond market. if one more ignorant fool touts the "stock market" as a sign of a roaring economy I'm going to throw up.
the point of the thread is what we make it - and that poster's comment is spot on.
I know its spot on.. hence my comment..
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In fact it very much can counter the economy because companies are profiting at the public expense, especially the bond market. if one more ignorant fool touts the "stock market" as a sign of a roaring economy I'm going to throw up.
