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Old 12-14-2015, 12:03 AM
 
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Has anyone else noticed that Rubio beats Hillary in nearly every recent head to head poll? He's doing the best of any GOP candidate against Hillary in the polls but much of the talk is on Trump and Cruz right now. Rubio isn't my first choice but these numbers are interesting, especially the graph.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton
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Old 12-14-2015, 12:21 AM
 
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I think he does best against Hillary because out of all of the Republican candidates he is the most similar to Hillary and one of the most moderate of the Republican candidates. They are both soft on immigration, they are both in favor of amnesty, they are against the wall, they are propped up by their establishment, they are backed by wall street and controlled by their donors. They are two peas in a pod with the exception of a few social issues. Trust me they are more similar than you might think.

He used to be seen as very conservative but is now seen as a moderate rhino, something that helps him with Hillary but not with the Republican primaries. With the exception of Christie and Kasich;Trump, Cruz, Carson, Paul, Huckabee, and Fiorina are all seen as more conservative than him.

John McCain and Mitt Romney were seen as moderate Republicans and both of them lost. They did not seem to fire up the conservative base. It might actually take a more conservative candidate to get more Republicans to vote this time around and ultimately win.

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Old 12-14-2015, 12:28 AM
 
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Rubio would beat Hillary and it would not be close

--He is as good speaker as she is poor.
--He is as young and hansome as she is old and worn.
--He is as charismatic as she is shrill.
--He is Hispanic, and once supported comprehsive immigration reform. Hillary cannot win if he peels off even 5% of the Hispanic vote.
--Various polls have already shown him winning or just slightly beneath her. That is remarkable given that he is not a national figure.

The GOP is shooting themselves in the foot if they do not nominate him.
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Old 12-14-2015, 12:39 AM
 
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I think he does best against Hillary because out of all of the Republican candidates he is the most similar to Hillary and one of the most moderate of the Republican candidates. They are both soft on immigration, they are both in favor of amnesty, they are against the wall, they are propped up by their establishment, they are backed by wall street and controlled by their donors. They are two peas in a pod with the exception of a few social issues. Trust me they are more similar than you might think.

He used to be seen as very conservative but is now seen as a moderate rhino, something that helps him with Hillary but not with the Republican primaries. With the exception of Christie and Kasich;Trump, Cruz, Carson, Paul, Huckabee, and Fiorina are all seen as more conservative than him.

John McCain and Mitt Romney were seen as moderate Republicans and both of them lost. They did not seem to fire up the conservative base. It might actually take a more conservative candidate to get more Republicans to vote this time around and ultimately win.
Interesting, because Conservative Review lists Rubio as 2nd best of the GOP candidates behind Cruz with his only bad mark being immigration of course.

https://www.conservativereview.com/2...ial-candidates
https://www.conservativereview.com/2...es/marco-rubio
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Old 12-14-2015, 12:41 AM
 
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Rubio is trying to flip flop, however, his record of conspiring with Schumer has sunk his boat. The internet will figure heavily in this election, you can google up these candidates and find the truth. Rubio has fallen way down.
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Old 12-14-2015, 01:16 AM
 
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What Boosane said about Rubio flip-flopping is true.

First he was a Conservative. Then he ran to the left mostly with immigration to win the hispanic vote and take it away from the Democrats. Same tactic was used by Jeb Bush. Remember McCain and Romney lost in part because they didn't get the hispanic vote. That plan backfired miserably and now he is trying to run back to the far right.
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Old 12-14-2015, 01:30 AM
 
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Rubio will never be elected. Why elect him when you can vote for Hillary. She is nearly Rubio in a pant suite.
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Old 12-14-2015, 02:18 AM
 
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She is nearly Rubio in a pant suite.

And a very large one at that.


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Old 12-14-2015, 02:32 AM
 
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What Boosane said about Rubio flip-flopping is true.
Trump is the ultimate flip-flopper.

Supported universal healthcare. Supported abortion. Was against deporting illegals back 2012 and criticised the GOP for being 'too mean spirited'.

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Romney’s solution of “self deportation” for illegal aliens made no sense and suggested that Republicans do not care about Hispanics in general, Trump says.

“He had a crazy policy of self deportation which was maniacal,” Trump says. “It sounded as bad as it was, and he lost all of the Latino vote,” Trump notes. “He lost the Asian vote. He lost everybody who is inspired to come into this country.”

The GOP has to develop a comprehensive policy “to take care of this incredible problem that we have with respect to immigration, with respect to people wanting to be wonderful productive citizens of this country,” Trump says.
Donald Trump: Mean-Spirited GOP Won

There are many ways Trump supporters can criticise Rubio, but calling him a flip flopper is most certainly a case of the pot calling the kettle black if there ever was one.
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Old 12-14-2015, 04:49 AM
 
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I think he's the most winnable Republican. My only reservation is he's a little too pro Military aggressive. I do think he cracks the Blue Wall and beats Hillary if he's the nominee.
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