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if someone supports bernie, why are they calling him anti-establishment? first, he said he would increase federal government, which would mean increasing establishment support...
one of his selling points is healthcare, the obama administration got the aca passed that he wants to expand. obama is part of the establishment... and bernie wants to be opposite of it? he can work with republicians to repeal/replace it i guess...
if someone supports bernie, why are they calling him anti-establishment? first, he said he would increase federal government, which would mean increasing establishment support...
one of his selling points is healthcare, the obama administration got the aca passed that he wants to expand. obama is part of the establishment... and bernie wants to be opposite of it? he can work with republicians to repeal/replace it i guess...
They mean anti-establishment as anti-Wall Street and anti-big banks. Wall Street and big banks are considered the establishment. Bernie supporters feel they are a huge part of the problems in this country, as Bernie does.
A larger question is why Trump supporters are considered anti-establishment. Trump has been pure establishment his entire life, and has used the big banks and the banking system to his advantage.
"Establishment" has nothing to do with federal government spending. It's a shorthand way to label someone by associating them with a dominant or elite group that holds political power.
If you think "establishment" means politics and Washington DC, of course he's establishment. He's been in politics his entire life and in Congress for 25 years. He has no idea what it's like to live outside the political bubble.
If you think "establishment" means Democratic party establishment, of course he's not establishment. He only decided to become a Democrat last year because he wants the backing of their money and organization.
You can choose to name other groups (like unions, wall street, oil & gas) that exert powerful influence on politics. Sanders will be associated heavily with some and not at all with others.
What it boils down to is: Is Sanders part of the "establishment" you like? For some people he is, for some he's not.
if someone supports bernie, why are they calling him anti-establishment? first, he said he would increase federal government, which would mean increasing establishment support...
one of his selling points is healthcare, the obama administration got the aca passed that he wants to expand. obama is part of the establishment... and bernie wants to be opposite of it? he can work with republicians to repeal/replace it i guess...
He is anti-establishment because he is taking on all of the most powerful special interests and big money donor groups in the country that are ripping off working class Americans. Wall Street, the big pharma drug cartels, the military industrial complex, corporate media. The very bad anti-worker trade deals and the corrupt campaign finance system is turning the US into a country for the economic royalists while the working class suffers. Maybe people dont like all his ideas, and that's OK, but who really like everything a candidate stands for when we think about it? With Bernie Sanders, what you see is what you get. People know he is a straight shooter who knows where the problems lie, is not beholden to anyone but the people and will put up a real fight for the working class of this country.
if someone supports bernie, why are they calling him anti-establishment? first, he said he would increase federal government, which would mean increasing establishment support...
one of his selling points is healthcare, the obama administration got the aca passed that he wants to expand. obama is part of the establishment... and bernie wants to be opposite of it? he can work with republicians to repeal/replace it i guess...
That's not true. Do some research and then come back.
Bernie supporters want a 'revolution'. And, in their eyes, how can you do that whilst being part of the problem (establishment)?
That's how I see it.
He realizes you have to foster change from within. He is not seeking to destroy the Establishment, but to change it fundamentally. Similar to Gorbachev's Perestroika. Except hopefully in our case our version of the KGB will not get the opportunity to return to power.
if someone supports bernie, why are they calling him anti-establishment?
first, he said he would increase federal government, which would mean increasing establishment support...
one of his selling points is healthcare, the obama administration got the aca passed that he wants to expand. obama is part of the establishment... and bernie wants to be opposite of it? he can work with republicians to repeal/replace it i guess...
I'll take "because they are ignorant" for 1000, Alex. Sanders has been a DC insider (congressman and senator) for over 25 years now. He is one of the most "establishment", if not the most, of any of the current candidates. Every so often he'll bleat out a few more buzzwords to appeal to his uneducated base and promise them more free shi, er crap.
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I'll take "because they are ignorant" for 1000, Alex. Sanders has been a DC insider (congressman and senator) for over 25 years now. He is one of the most "establishment", if not the most, of any of the current candidates. Every so often he'll bleat out a few more buzzwords to appeal to his uneducated base and promise them more free shi, er crap.
Being in Washington doesnt make you an establishment candidate in and of itself.
My problem, and most of those on the left who have a problem with Sanders, is the argument that being part of the Establishment is wrong.
I would say the same is true of many of those on the right when speaking of their candidates, funny though
Of the people still running for President, Rubio, Carson and Fiorina are the only ones who arent a political decedent of the Reagan Administration.
Everyone else either served with in his administration, Served in His VP's administration, Served in the VP's Son's Administration(State and National), is the child of his VP.
I mean, is that not the definition of Establishment(being in the leadership/power structure) ????
if someone supports bernie, why are they calling him anti-establishment? first, he said he would increase federal government, which would mean increasing establishment support...
one of his selling points is healthcare, the obama administration got the aca passed that he wants to expand. obama is part of the establishment... and bernie wants to be opposite of it? he can work with republicians to repeal/replace it i guess...
I don't support Bernie, but I think "establishment" became a buzzword (with the obvious negative connotation) in the mid-'60s with Vietnam and the free love, hippie movement, Abbie Hoffman, sit-ins, etc., and I think it's a mix of big banking, big corporations, Wall Street to some extent, and Washington, D.C., to some extent, but it's always been a colloquialism.
It bothers me because I don't like to label people; even "Democrat" and "Republican" bother me, but we have to look way back to Hamilton and Jefferson to thank for that. I much prefer the word "United," as in "United States." That's what we are, after all.
ETA: Easier to read if you use capitalization.
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