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Old 02-19-2016, 01:59 PM
 
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I don't think any of the current crop would even make it past the first round of a casting call for 'POTUS like actors/actresses' to appear in a fictional movie. As in many other things the difference between fact and fiction is fiction has to make sense.
I don't agree. It's very easy for the lay person to sit on the sidelines calling other people dumb or talentless. It takes no guts to do that, it's like going on youtube videos and saying every music act has no talent, or saying everybody else is ugly when you don't submit a picture.

I've been in the same room with Hillary Clinton. She has tremendous charisma in addition to being very smart. That was years ago and she may have lost some steam, but 2008 and prior she was very formidable.

I think Marco Rubio is very sharp, notwithstanding the robot like talking point he repeated, he is not a clown.

Trump has tremendous confidence.

Ben Carson is a calm character who isn't an idiot by any stretch.

Bernie Sanders is passionate and persistent.

Ted Cruz is whip smart (although evil).

Kasich is a cool character also with an understated confidence.

It's just too easy to say "everybody sucks."
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Old 02-19-2016, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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Could Trump do any worse? At least he has a mind for business and has been very successful in making deals. If he runs the country like he runs a business we might actually be better off.
If he has a mind for business, then perhaps he should stay in business. How many businessmen have we had that have turned out to be horrible Presidents? Too many to count and the last one, George W., is hopefully the last.
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Old 02-19-2016, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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Can't happen because on certain issues the country is so divided that the real issues that we have to get fixed can't.
Well, I can't argue that. What's most sad and disappointing to me is that ultimately every single person in the USA will be, in one way or another, working for one of two or three big monopoly-style corporations. United States of Monsanto. 99.9% of the high-powered politicians in DC (and those hopefuls running to be next pres) are already bought, sold and owned by private interests...multinational CEOs, heads of global banks and energy concerns, lobbyists, defense contractors, etc. On BOTH sides of the aisle. They work for Them and not We The People.
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Old 02-19-2016, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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I've been in the same room with Hillary Clinton. She has tremendous charisma in addition to being very smart. That was years ago and she may have lost some steam, but 2008 and prior she was very formidable.
I thought fairly highly of her when she was First Lady. But over the years she has just become The Man.

And Ben Carson? He may KNOW a lot about certain things, but that doesn't make him not an idiot. Seemingly everything he believes (or professes to) on any given subject is pure nonsense and drivel. No reasonable person could ever consider him fit to be President.
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Old 02-19-2016, 03:12 PM
 
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Well Obama had zero experience in just about anything but wow could he give a speech and as much as he has tried to wreck the country we are still here.
Now that is a legacy!

Could Trump do any worse? At least he has a mind for business and has been very successful in making deals. If he runs the country like he runs a business we might actually be better off. Of course he is going to get very little support for any idea from the entrenched Dems and Reps that will be counting down the days until his term is over.

The country is sinking and we need someone to plug the holes and right this ship.
Exactly.

Obama had zero experience working with the powerful people that always want to control you, and push you around.

Obama was like an ignorant child, and he still is clueless. Oh, he's learned how to use the office of the presidency to threaten, bully and coerce citizens domestically, but when it comes to the rest of the world, he is still the ignorant child.

Trump went to the school of hard knocks, he's written books about it. It's one of his most important character traits as a potential president
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Old 02-19-2016, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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This bad....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xri...ature=youtu.be
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Old 02-19-2016, 05:02 PM
 
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I always say the last guy in lowers the bar so the next guy can get in. Clinton lowered it, Duhbya lowered it, Obama has lowered it. Now we can get a Trump or a Bernie although it apparently hasn't been lowered to the point where a Hillary or another Bush can get in. That and the Pendulum factor. It swings back and forth, right to left and back and then back again. They screw up and people think going in the opposite direction will correct the mistakes being made but the same mistakes and new ones get made again and again, back and forth.
Maybe Trump or Bernie can break the vicious cycle of failure we've come to expect from both political parties. They are kind of outside the mainstream.
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Old 02-19-2016, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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How bad could it be if Trump becomes President?
It won't be that bad. I don't care for him but I don't care for Clinton either. If Trump wins, then it'll just result in a different set of unhappy people.

[heads or tails?]
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Old 02-19-2016, 05:07 PM
 
Location: downtown
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How bad could it be if Trump becomes President?

Real baaaad...
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Old 02-19-2016, 05:26 PM
 
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I'm flabbergasted by the political IQ of a large swaft of the public, with comments like Clinton being the best choice, and Trump not being very smart.

Clinton is under FBI investigation for mishandling classified information, though given the level of corruption, I doubt she will be indicted for the hundreds of felonies she would otherwise suffer if she was not a part of the inner circle of career criminals who have been running the country for decades. She really is a Teflon doll, given the shady crap she's been involved with for so many years. Laws do not pertain to the inner circle.

Sanders is a disgrace, and it wasn't long ago that the closet socialists infesting the Democrat party would deny any connection to socialism, as it would have been political suicide to even be associated. Now, we have an admitted socialist as a front runner for the Democrats!! This is Twilight Zone $hit, that you just can't make up. A felon and a socialist. What a line up.

On the Republican side, we have an evangelical poseur who passes himself off as a non-establishment guy, whose wife is/was a member of the CFR with connections to Wall Street heavy hitters like Goldman Sachs, and others. Of course, you can't get anymore establishment than that. Sorry, Ted, I ain't buying it. Pure lip service, and the lies he's been telling ... Wow, is he gonna need some religion to absolve him. Even Rubio has been calling him out on the lies ... and what about the chicanery with Carson's supporters in Iowa? Cheating, stealing and lying ... we might as well keep Obama.

Then we have a brain surgeon that doesn't believe that injecting neurotoxins into the human body could cause a neurological malfunction? Really Ben? I don't need to hear anything more from him. That's enough right there. Get out!

Marco ... Polo .... Marco .... Polo .... He has the same canned response to any and every question, starting with ,"when I'm President .... ". Danger Will Robinson, Danger .... another lifelike looking establishment Robot has arrived. Pure establishment, status quo is what you get there.

Kascich (spelling?) He's a likable guy, and that's why I like him. He's not got the chops to fight the good fight, and would be bent into a pretzel before his first year was over. He's the Rodney King of the Republican candidates " can't we just all get along". That would be nice, but history shows that if you swim in a shark tank, you'd better be a shark.

Last, we have Trump. Some claim he's a clown ... a carnival barker, as Obama recently called him, and "the reality TV star" as others babble (easy to tell who needs to watch LESS TV), and others suggesting he isn't very smart. (less TV for those people too).

Fact: the dude is brilliant, attended Ivy league university of Pen., and the Wharton School of Business. Dummies need not apply. Built a mega-empire in probably the biggest tank of sharks in the commercial real estate world of New York City .. No small accomplishment, even with substantial seed money from family. The guy has been invited to and attended congressional hearings for our reps to pick his brain on complex tax reform issues affecting real estate and development (1991-youtube-google it), and as a sideline, did a reality TV series about creating and operating successful business ventures, with average Joe's to celebrity apprentices ... and the list goes on, including being a published author. It seems, whatever you want to say about the dude, the fact is, he is a winner, and he knows how to make deals that win big.

Some might reasonsbly suggest he might be politically naive in Washington DC politics, or his understanding of foreign policy is lacking, but in my estimation, you cannot be naive in NYC, and escape alive, let alone end up with Buildings, Hotels, and choppers with your last name painted on them.

Most people would agree that he's a pretty savy businessman, and business like politics and foreign affairs requires someone who knows how to negotiate good deals. After all, what is diplomacy?

From a financial perspective, the dude is rock solid, and I think that would include understanding the huge negative financial consequences of unnecessary wars, nation building misadventures, poorly conceived foreign aid debacles ...all of which we have suffered too much of, for far too long. While these things might benefit the few who profit greatly from war, the country suffers tremendously in both blood and treasure, and I don't believe Trump would continue such things. I say that because, like George Washington, who cautioned against foreign entanglements, prefering to trade with others while not getting involved with their conflicts, Trump has inferred his preference to make deals with Russia, rather than provoke conflict. That isn't just good for us, but good for the world.

Trump's main focus on border security, and fixing the disastrous trade imbalance we have, while restoring our manufacturing base along with returning the countless jobs lost because of the offshore free for all that has occurred over the past 40 years would do more for our economic problems and unemployment than anything anyone has proposed in Washington DC for as long as I can remember. They refuse to do anything of substance, because most of them are owned by the corporations and special interests that created this disaster to begin with, and nobody should expect those who broke the system to be the ones to fix it

Now if all that just isn't good enough, let's take a more simplistic, but common sense approach to our evaluation of what a President Trump might represent to the regular folks. Number one, he isn't taking anyone's money like the other guys, so it stands to reason, he ain't gonna owe a lot of "favors" that might get in the way of the promises such politicians make that ultimately have to be forgotten as they conflict with the interests of the big money doners who have owned these career bribe takers. Trump would be free to fulfill his promises, and point out anyone that stonewalls, so that come next election time, we the people would know who in congress needs to stay and who needs to hear "you're fired!"

Perhaps the simplest way to assess who we should vote for is to listen to the talking heads on TV, and the party leaders on both sides? Whoever they DONT WANT, WE SHOULD WANT, and that is an easy one. They're all attacking Trump, and they are scared to death of him. That alone gets my vote!!

Washington, you're fired!!!
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