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Old 02-22-2016, 12:22 PM
 
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After Iowa and Nevada debacle screwing votes away from Sanders by fraud, misplaced/wrongly counted ballots, and so forth should we just have primaries?
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Old 02-22-2016, 12:31 PM
 
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God yes, they are a byproduct of a different age. I still cannot figure out why Nevada thought switching to them would be a good idea. It's been nothing but confusion and their hope of being considered all that important never materialized.
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Old 02-22-2016, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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After Iowa and Nevada debacle screwing votes away from Sanders by fraud, misplaced/wrongly counted ballots, and so forth should we just have primaries?
I'm not in favor of caucuses but I am in favor of truth, not whiny, unsubstantiated claims that because your guy lost, there had to have been fraud.

Are you going to start claiming all the primary elections that Bernie loses are rigged too?
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Old 02-22-2016, 12:47 PM
 
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That's for each state to decide, not the Federal government.

We Texas Democrats were unhappy with how the caucus system worked in 2008, so we worked to get rid of it.

Other states can do the same, if that's what their voters want.

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I'm not in favor of caucuses but I am in favor of truth, not whiny, unsubstantiated claims that because your guy lost, there had to have been fraud.
Exactly.
Although my candidate (Obama) prevailed in the 2008 TX caucus, it was a time-consuming and confusing process so I was one of many party loyalists who advocated abolishing it.
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Old 02-22-2016, 01:16 PM
 
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Not unless we want war with the Russian Federation.

They like their Caucasus and want to keep it.
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Old 02-22-2016, 01:44 PM
 
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I'm not in favor of caucuses but I am in favor of truth, not whiny, unsubstantiated claims that because your guy lost, there had to have been fraud.

Are you going to start claiming all the primary elections that Bernie loses are rigged too?
There is proof there is videos all over the Internet. Remember 2 from Iowa and think 3 from Nevada.
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Old 02-22-2016, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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There is proof there is videos all over the Internet. Remember 2 from Iowa and think 3 from Nevada.
You believe everything posted in a video on the internet? So I'm sure you are appalled by the Project Veritas videos showing Sanders staffers explaining how to lie about residency status in order to vote for Bernie in NH. Now given the source, that may or may not be true, but what is 100% true is that 2 Sanders staffers registered in NH using the office site as their home address, despite the fact that they did not live there since it's not zoned for residential use. Were there others use fraudulently registered? Who knows? BUT IT WAS ON THE INTERNET!!
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Old 02-22-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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Yes, get rid of this fradulent voting system or let them stay only if they are the last ones to vote.
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Old 02-22-2016, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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After Iowa and Nevada debacle screwing votes away from Sanders by fraud, misplaced/wrongly counted ballots, and so forth should we just have primaries?
Yes, and if we don't, they should not caucus early in the schedule. Don't forget Iowa screwed up on Rick Santorum in 2012, too.
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Old 02-22-2016, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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After Iowa and Nevada debacle screwing votes away from Sanders by fraud, misplaced/wrongly counted ballots, and so forth should we just have primaries?
Are you going to pay for it? Primaries cost a hell of a lot more to run than caucuses, and the cost is paid by the state. Meaning the taxpayers.

I am a taxpayer in the state of Iowa, but am neither Democrat nor Republican. So you are advocating that I pay more for a process that I don't take part in, and I'm guessing it's not so much because you don't like the process itself as because you think your candidate should have done better.

I've got a better idea, how about you just go pound sand.
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