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Old 03-09-2016, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I write this as someone who is 28 years old (will be 29 when November comes around) and I am disgusted with this year's election. The closest candidate to wanting to help the nation is Sanders, yet because of Superdelegates (what a rigged game that is) he is likely not going to be the Democratic Candidate. Hillary is someone I can't vote for, even to stick it to the Republicans. The Republicans who ran this year are all a joke especially Trump and Cruz and the others I cannot vote for due to being social conservatives and pandering towards the evangelicals with the whole Planned Parenthood doctored video.

I don't know what to do in November. I can't vote Republican because I don't believe in any of the platform and it is likely that even out of catharsis I don't think I can hold my nose and vote HRC. I know people should say someone in my position should vote Libertarian to get them on the stage in 2020 but I honestly don't agree with their party's stance as it is more right than conservative Republicans and far too reliant on the free-market. I guess I'll wait and see and hope there is a moderate third party candidate who I can behind, otherwise I'm at a point of "why bother, the winner will be a one-term president anyway."

Anyone else feel this hopeless this election?
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:33 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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I agree and am pretty sick of this mess too. I heard Sanders speech last night and think he is a looney. But that does not mean that you have to think that way too. That we all get to choose is the American way. I have solved this dilemma for myself. As an American citizen I am only responsible for one vote, mine. There is a place on the ballot to write in a name and if I don't like anyone running, I plan to do so and let the chips fall where they may.

I am really disappointed in what is going on in Florida tomorrow. Some of these candidates need to think about the damage they are doing to the Republican party. I was very enthusiastic that we finally had a candidate that could win and here comes the losers chomping on the sour grapes and ruining it for everybody. I hope the voters put a stop to this assault on Trump because we need the border closed and the illegals deported.
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:34 PM
 
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Ah! I've always wondered how old you were. Turns out that you are a millennial. It goes a long way when it comes to explaining your take on things.
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Gosh, when I woke last Saturday on caucus day in KS, I hadn't been that excited about casting a vote since my first time in 1972. I was definitely not displaying "apathy" and each time Trump is the winner of another caucus/primary, it's party time! "For the people, by the people" let's get back! Trump2016
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Ah! I've always wondered how old you were. Turns out that you are a millennial. It goes a long way when it comes to explaining your take on things.
What's that supposed to mean other than going by stereotypes?
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Gosh, when I woke last Saturday on caucus day in KS, I hadn't been that excited about casting a vote since my first time in 1972. I was definitely not displaying "apathy" and each time Trump is the winner of another caucus/primary, it's party time! "For the people, by the people" let's get back! Trump2016
Trump is a farce to what you think he stands for. Eight years ago he was backing Hillary as a super doner and now he's trying to paint himself as a populist who is speaking for the middle class. His actions disagree with his stances. You are being lied to.
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:41 PM
 
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I understand the overall apathy, but cant understand the whole "but Sanders has our best interest in mind" thing. He is a life long politician who has accomplished nothing, and his ideas sound great on paper and in sound bytes if you look at the desired end result with blinders on, but the implementation and unintended consequences of his platform would be disastrous, not to mention he would never get most of this passed into law.

I'll be sticking with the Libertarian party again this year. Gary Johnson is a pretty smart, accomplished (politically and in the private world) person and I wish more people knew about him.
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:43 PM
 
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Default Boo fuggin hoo

You should hide under your bed and cry alone in the dark.

Let me tell you a secret: it's not all about you. Jump the shark. Vote for the most repulsive candidate you can find.
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:58 PM
 
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I write this as someone who is 28 years old (will be 29 when November comes around) and I am disgusted with this year's election. The closest candidate to wanting to help the nation is Sanders, yet because of Superdelegates (what a rigged game that is) he is likely not going to be the Democratic Candidate.
Socialism is going to "help the nation"? Bernie's not a democrat and he knew what he was doing when he chose to run as one. Superdelegates are free to support whoever they feel will be the best choice for the nomination. If they choose Hillary, that is their prerogative. If Bernie were the one ahead in the pledged delegate count, you wouldn't be complaining about the superdelegates.
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Old 03-09-2016, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Maybe you should look inward. Yes, there are a lot of problems with the current state of American politics, but it won't get better until we educate ourselves, and open our minds to truth from all sides.
I have in the last three years honestly and I am shifting more and more left because Republican philosophy today is obstruct and bring back faith based law.

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You state that the Planned Parenthood videos were somehow "doctored." That is factually incorrect.
Can you show proof to this? Here's the proof on the doctored video from various sources mind you...
The real story behind those Planned Parenthood videos - CNNPolitics.com
Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video
Activists behind Planned Parenthood videos accused of using fake licenses | Fox News
Republicans Are Legislating Based On Fake Videos. Should Someone Tell Them?
Editor of Planned Parenthood Videos Worked On Them For At Least 11 Months
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/us...deos.html?_r=0
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/ab...editing-videos
The Producer Of The Planned Parenthood Videos Admits That They Are A Fraud

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Hold whatever political view you want -- notice I'm not going after you on politics? But if we continue to buy into manufactured "facts" put for by propagandists of all stripes, we'll continue to make bad choices, and be presented with bad choices.
I've done it on the right and tried to be fair but I can't be with the obstruction Republicans have turned to since the Tea Party started and I was dooped into believing it from 2010-3.

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Don't even start a debate with me about the PP thing. What you stated is factually wrong. You can research it yourself. Just so you know, I favor legal abortion.
It's not true though, there's enough proof of misleading if not straight out lies.

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Other than that, it's a step forward that you are unwilling to eat the rancid dog food put forth by what should be your natural masters. Likewise, I have respect for people who simply find Donald Trump untenable, even though they may align with some of his stated policy goals.
I can only find slight common-ground with Trump but he is the wrong person to ask for it. Wanting American jobs to return, this comes from the guy who allowed Macy's to use Chinese labor for his clothing line AND brought in Mexicans for his day-to-day operations for hotels and their construction through construction firms. He wants to get rid of illegals but yet gave them jobs. He is against things that he was for not even eight years ago. Which Trump do we trust, the corporatist who gave as a special interest or the populist who claims he is against special interests?

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I would say the best thing you can do is stand on principle. If they don't offer an acceptable alternative, vote third party, or simple abstain form the presidential vote, while voting on other offices and propositions. They notice that, when the presidential tally doesn't align with the total votes cast.
I want to find a credible third party. As I mentioned in another post, there are at the least 20 third parties looking for the White House this year. 20 parties looking for some 3% of the vote (going off of last year's numbers.) Sadly I am too pragmatic to vote third party. I was thinking of voting HRC just as a disatisfaction of the GOP candidates but now I cannot and have come to Jesus on that issue.
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