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Old 05-02-2016, 07:32 PM
 
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Yes it does seem like a waste, but I don't think that if you are pro-liberty, you would support government intervention to change people's behaviors because you think it is silly. It doesn't seem like using taxation to deny others their right to pursue happiness by waiting in line to drop $800 on a phone that will be obsolete in a few hours is a very conservative viewpoint.

Maybe you should read, (or perhaps you already have) Cass Sunstein's book, "Nudge." What you want to with tariffs is exactly what Cass Sunstein is suggesting. Using the power of the government to "Nudge" people into the behaviors government thinks you are too stupid or selfish to do by yourself.

Sorry, that is NOT the way to shrink government and expand personal liberty and freedom.

Then again Donald has no intention of shrinking government or expanding personal freedom and liberty, so there you.
I simply stated it was silly, I didn't ask the government to do anything.
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Old 05-02-2016, 07:33 PM
 
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With electronics, people don't keep the old models because they become outdated. You can no longer get parts or programs for them. The connectors change. They aren't compatible with your new electronics.

It used to be that you bought a TV and it lasted for 30 years -- but no more. Two years max, then there is something new.
Moreover, once the warranty has expired, it is cheaper to buy a new model than get the broken product repaired. Very true with flat screen TVs . . . . . shipping them back and forth to the repair center is more than the TV is worth.

Mick
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Old 05-02-2016, 07:35 PM
 
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What happens ?

People actually put money in the bank and have an emergency fund instead of living paycheck-to-paycheck.
Like everything, there is a balance between saving and consumption and we are an over-consuming society.
As long as credit exists and the persistence of the entitlement mentality, nothing will ever change.
Everyone saves their money and therefore there is a glut of items on the market. That results in prices being cut left and right to increase competition, which results in people WAITING to purchase something, knowing that the prices will get lower, which results in a glut of products on the market that can't move, which results in job loss and a collapsing economy.

When money is saved instead of spent, then the economy contracts and the FR stops circulating money which creates even more problems. I don't understand it beyond the effects of deflation and knowing that it creates serious economic issues in a way that is not beneficial to a country heading into another recession/depression!
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Old 05-02-2016, 07:37 PM
 
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Moreover, once the warranty has expired, it is cheaper to buy a new model than get the broken product repaired. Very true with flat screen TVs . . . . . shipping them back and forth to the repair center is more than the TV is worth.

Mick
Flat screen televisions are very easy to repair and pretty inexpensive. I know a couple people that do it. There really isn't much to them.....when someone's 42 inch television goes bad they don't toss it because it's expensive to fix, they toss it because they simply have to have a 55 inch one now.
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Old 05-02-2016, 07:40 PM
 
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Adam Carolla makes a lot of good points, I really like what Ted Cruz says a lot more, but if Trump is the candidate, I will vote for him. The one thing that bothers me the most about Trump is when he brings up China. Trump says he is going to put Tariffs, "A tax imposed on imported goods and services".

Everyone needs to understand, all of you will be paying the tariffs taxes, the corporations will just pass the extra cost of a product to the consumer. The Apple iphone will never be built in the USA, because it will cost $2000.00 dollars for each phone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApvRpI6wcyo
Tariffs would end up being a variable cost, in that in order to reduce the price for a good, the company would have to work around the tariff, one way would be to produce in the US. So US goods in regards to tariffs impacting the price would not have this issue. But, other markets can throw tariffs on US produced goods in exchange...

An iPhone would not cost $2000, it would only cost that if Apple wished to maintain its current profit.
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Old 05-02-2016, 07:44 PM
 
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Adam Carolla makes a lot of good points, I really like what Ted Cruz says a lot more, but if Trump is the candidate, I will vote for him. The one thing that bothers me the most about Trump is when he brings up China. Trump says he is going to put Tariffs, "A tax imposed on imported goods and services".

Everyone needs to understand, all of you will be paying the tariffs taxes, the corporations will just pass the extra cost of a product to the consumer. The Apple iphone will never be built in the USA, because it will cost $2000.00 dollars for each phone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApvRpI6wcyo


I disagree, if China doesn't let our products in China then the last resort is tariffs on their products that enter our country so they can come to the table and come correct.


Trump said lets make TRADE deals that is fair and even for both sides, not the cr@p we have now.


You know that China doesn't let our products in and doesn't let the Chinese people buy our products made in the U.S.A but we have to take all of their products? how is that a good trade deal?



Until China and the American special interests whores and sellouts that love the current trade deals because they make trillions of dollars at the expense of the working class come correct and make new trade deals that favor the American Working class and lets us compete in a equal playing field with China and other countries then the only option we have is the threat of tariffs so they can come correct and re-negotiate the bad trade deals we have.

We have 2 options:

1) Don't do anything and continue the status quo...which benefits China and the big American corporations.

2) Re-negotiate the deals and put the American working class as a priority with the leverage of tariffs for the Chinese if they refuse.......China needs more the U.S. than we need China.


We can't deal with China if you take the tariff option away from the negotiating table.......is like asking China "can you please re-negotiate the trade deals we have that is killing out manufacturing force and middle class and lowering our wages ".......China says "NO! f@ck off".....U.S. says "O.K., sorry that I asked and bothered you"



We need new blood of people to re-negotiate these bad trade deals....and if we don't have the TARIFF card under our sleeves to negotiate then how you expect the Chinese to go along?
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Old 05-02-2016, 07:45 PM
 
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Tariffs would end up being a variable cost, in that in order to reduce the price for a good, the company would have to work around the tariff, one way would be to produce in the US. So US goods in regards to tariffs impacting the price would not have this issue. But, other markets can throw tariffs on US produced goods in exchange...

An iPhone would not cost $2000, it would only cost that if Apple wished to maintain its current profit.
And what reason would iPhone have for NOT maintaining its current profits? Lower profits would result in shareholders selling off stock, which would result in lack of funds for R & D and marketing, etc., which would result in loss of market share, which would result in shareholders selling stock, which would result in layoffs...so basically it would start the downward spiral of Apple due solely to restrictive tariffs.

How do you think Tariffs affect Farmers in the US who export their products overseas?
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Old 05-02-2016, 07:47 PM
 
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The only thing that explains Trump's rise is how uneducated, gullible, and dumb the people of this country is. Carolla himself is a perfect example...he dosen't even have a high school diploma yet hes giving out socio-political advice about how Trump is some kind of genius yet Carolla has no idea what he's talking about
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Old 05-02-2016, 07:48 PM
 
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There must be some advantage to having stuff made in China, otherwise smart old Donald Trump would not have his ties and other clothes made there ! Wonder if he will be the first to bring HIS jobs back to America ?


Don


He is just using rules that were set up by those before him. If he didn't outsource you would call him a stupid businessman. Can't win either way!!!
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Old 05-02-2016, 07:49 PM
 
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He is just using rules that were set up by those before him. If he didn't outsource you would call him a stupid businessman. Can't win either way!!!
Ahh...that amazing Trump supporter logic at it again

Enjoy getting conned like the students of Trump University
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