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Old 05-06-2016, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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California passed this and it created lots of jobs in the state. Good jobs. The kind of jobs that have to be done in California and they pay good wages.
Apple is on track to build the one billionth iPhone. Not one of them was made in the state you are championing, California. Why did it take Trump to bring it up? Why isn't anybody talk about it? Why aren't YOU talking about it? There is no such thing as "old industry" as long as we use the products they make. Has anything replaced steel, coal or oil? You know it is not the economics. It is the ideology. You can't be a good liberal if you are for any oil.

 
Old 05-06-2016, 07:55 AM
 
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Donald Trump has filed for bankruptcy 4 separate times.
Fact-checking claims about Donald Trump's four bankruptcies | PolitiFact
Good Lord. This again. Did you bother to even read what you posted a link to?

For example. Trump bought Eastern Airlines Shuttle and renamed it Trump Airlines. Guess what? It was already out of business when Eastern Airline failed. He continued to run it and all the people who worked there kept their jobs instead of losing them as they did with their parent. And when the recession hit caused by Gulf War I, Trump couldn't continue to pay the debt that he inherited with the airline, so he declared bankruptcy and then worked with the bank to sell the asset to another airline. Planes kept flying, people kept working, Trump lost his investment.

I don't see where Trump did anything wrong here. But you guys go on and on about him as if he was the Devil himself based on no knowledge of anything you attempt to talk about. If he was the Devil he would have liquidated the thing and walked off with the money.
 
Old 05-06-2016, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I think it is so funny how Bernie and Hillary have vowed to put the coal companies out of business yet there is no real alternative at this time that is as reliable. We do have nuclear and limited hydro but coal and oil are still the tops for energy production.

To all these do gooder tree huggers who drive their electric cars where do they think the electricity comes from when they plug in? Chances are it is from a coal fired plant.
 
Old 05-06-2016, 08:13 AM
 
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I think it is so funny how Bernie and Hillary have vowed to put the coal companies out of business yet there is no real alternative at this time that is as reliable.....
None at all. And our government for all it's wisdom has defunded a lot of the basic research that might have brought us some reasonable alternatives.
 
Old 05-06-2016, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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BOS2IAD nailed it.

MUCH better for the US to use our coal as long as mining it is done cleanly than depending on OPEC for oil.
Coal is being replaced by OPEC oil; its be replaced by US oil and US natural gas.
 
Old 05-06-2016, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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This is a victory for capitalism -- but nobody can hold a gun to your head and "force" you to use coal.

Smarter move: Convert everything to updated nuclear power, the safest source of electrical power on earth.
 
Old 05-06-2016, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Although I dislike the man intensely, I kinda hope he does win. The next 4 years sure would be entertaining !! Kinda like "Here, hold my beer and watch this !"


Don
 
Old 05-06-2016, 08:29 AM
 
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Coal is being replaced by OPEC oil; its be replaced by US oil and US natural gas.
The US does not produce enough oil or natural gas to replace the energy equivalent of coal.
 
Old 05-06-2016, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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I ask again. What replaced the steel mills in PA? Are they making iPhones now? Did Elon Musk set up shop here? You guys shutter old industries but the new ones never take their place. They go to China. People have wised up to this trick and this time have a voice in someone like Trump. Did you watch Hillary's pathetic response to the coal miner? If she is so right, why didn't she come out and say what you said. Coal is dead, move along.
Elon Musk set up shop in an old NUMMi facility.

https://www.teslamotors.com/factory

Prior to Tesla, the facility was home to General Motors and Toyota’s New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc (NUMMI) from 1984 until the partnership ended in 2009. At its height under NUMMI, the plant produced 500,000 cars per year. Tesla is proud to be building on the rich manufacturing tradition of this facility for years to come.

From a news story on the announcement that the plant was closing.
Toyota closing Fremont Nummi plant - SFGate

Toyota's decision to stop making cars in Fremont in March will idle 4,700 workers at the New United Motor Manufacturing Inc. factory and send a shudder of job losses through more than a thousand California companies that supply parts to the only automotive plant on the West Coast.
The fate of the factory has been in question since June, when General Motors withdrew from the partnership with Toyota that created Nummi in 1984. Toyota on Thursday confirmed rumors that had been swirling for weeks that it will close the plant, regardless of financial incentives offered by the state.

"Today is a sad day in the history of Fremont as California joins the ranks of states adversely affected by the bankruptcy of General Motors and the worldwide collapse in demand for automobiles," said Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, adding that the state will now focus on retraining workers and finding alternative uses for the roughly 5 million-square-foot plant.
 
Old 05-06-2016, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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The US does not produce enough oil or natural gas to replace the energy equivalent of coal.
The 20% to 30% drop in coal usage has been replaced primarily by Natural Gas and Oil. The US is now exporting Oil. New sources of natural gas are still being brought online.

Eia.gov BETA - Data - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
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