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I'd vote for a conscientious objector any day over a "chicken hawk" like trump.
At least a conscientious objector is thinking, and knows that war is a very serious thing. He doesn't want to kill or be killed over what he regards as bullsh_t. He doesn't want that for your kids either.
...And if bernie was a conscientious objector, that is exactly consistent with his record to this day -- e.g. his opposition to Bush's disastrous "mission accomplished" debacle, and his proposals to focus less funding on the military-industrial complex and more funding on our crumbling bridges, education system, healthcare, etc.
How about trump's consistency? "Bone spurs" deferment for the self-described "most militaristic guy you'll ever know".
...As obviously a "chickenhawk" as he is a con artist.
And the closest Trump's SONS will ever come to serving in the military is shooting a helpless elephant, cutting off its tail and posing with it, like a tough guy. His sons live as cushy a life as he does, though trump is the "most militaristic guy you'll ever know", ready to send YOUR SONS (& daughters) to die... (not to mention willfully killing noncombatants, like the families of terrorists).
To all the people who embrace this obviously stupid con-artist as your "hope," it says something deep about you, your intellect and character.
Hey, I thought it was funny that back in the late 1960s/early 1970s Bernie Sanders was "too old" for something. Here's $5. Buy a sense of humor.
I have no doubt that Mr. Trump's father was able to spend money to obtain a medical deferment for his son. It was how it was done. Find a friendly MD, and you were fixed.
That might be true, but you don't know that it is.
Now tell us about Hillary, Bill and Obama's great "service" to their country.
I'm wondering how many posting in this thread would follow the rules today and do what they're told if Barky and Congress reinstituted the draft and wanted to send troops into Syria or a place like Yemen?
Knowing what I know today.....I'd flash them the middle finger and let them put zip ties on my wrists and lead me to jail.
I consider those who evaded the draft to be very smart....noble individuals.
If you know something's crooked and completely unethical, who gives a chit if 450 or so bald, pot-bellied men and an Oreo cookie insist that you follow their orders regardless......
“My question as a Vietnam veteran is: How on earth could a person claiming to be a conscientious objector become the commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world?”
Good question.
I remember draft boards during the Vietnam War would ask conscientious objectors if they would refuse to defend their wives, mothers or sisters from rapists and killers.
If you didn't say you would refuse, you didn't get CO status.
Just being against the war in Vietnam was not enough to get you classified as a CO.
You had to be a complete pacifist.
Bernie either lied when he claimed to be a CO, or he would be a president who refused to defend this country if it was attacked.
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Originally Posted by texan2yankee
Someone said W. Bush was in the military. He was in the national guard.
"George W. Bush joined the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group of the Texas Air National Guard on May 27, 1968, during the Vietnam War. He committed to serve until May 26, 1974, with two years on active duty while training to fly and four years on part-time duty."
Plenty of national guard troops have been called to do repeated tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The same thing could have happened to Bush during the Vietnam War.
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Originally Posted by bigpicture
I'd vote for a conscientious objector any day over a "chicken hawk" like trump.
In what way is Trump a hawk?
He was against the Iraq War, and he has said that he doesn't want constant wars the way we've been having them under both Republicans and Democrats.
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How about trump's consistency? "Bone spurs" deferment for the self-described "most militaristic guy you'll ever know".
If you bothered to listen to him, you would know that his "militarism" simply means having a strong enough military that no enemy would even think of attacking us.
What's wrong with that?
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As obviously a "chickenhawk" as he is a con artist.
And the closest Trump's SONS will ever come to serving in the military is shooting a helpless elephant, cutting off its tail and posing with it, like a tough guy. His sons live as cushy a life as he does, though trump is the "most militaristic guy you'll ever know", ready to send YOUR SONS (& daughters) to die... (not to mention willfully killing noncombatants, like the families of terrorists).
To all the people who embrace this obviously stupid con-artist as your "hope," it says something deep about you, your intellect and character.
You sound upset.
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Originally Posted by BOS2IAD
Yes, you are correct. IIRC, she even claimed to have visited a recruiting office, though there is no record of her having done so.
Probably just another lie of hers, like her claim that she had to duck bullets when she visited Bosnia.
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I think questions linger about the intelligence of these leftwing loons.
Me, too.
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Hey, I thought it was funny that back in the late 1960s/early 1970s Bernie Sanders was "too old" for something. Here's $5. Buy a sense of humor.
I have my doubts about him being "too old."
He's 74 now. So in 1960, he would have been 18.
In 1965 when the draft was really ramped up, he would have been 23.
In 1971, the last year large numbers of people were drafted to go to Vietnam, he would have been 29.
Age-wise, he was perfectly eligible to be drafted.
I'm wondering how many posting in this thread would follow the rules today and do what they're told if Barky and Congress reinstituted the draft and wanted to send troops into Syria or a place like Yemen?
Knowing what I know today.....I'd flash them the middle finger and let them put zip ties on my wrists and lead me to jail.
I consider those who evaded the draft to be very smart....noble individuals.
If you know something's crooked and completely unethical, who gives a chit if 450 or so bald, pot-bellied men and an Oreo cookie insist that you follow their orders regardless......
I agree with you.
I admire both the people who served and those who refused or tried to get out of it.
The Vietnam War was a fraud perpetrated on the American people by their politicians -- just like every other war we've fought since WW II.
But I understand that a lot of people at the time were strongly patriotic and inclined to give those politicians the benefit of the doubt.
Support ISIS? You seriously accuse the poster of this? Not only off topic, but completely ridiculous.
He doesn't like people being sent off to war, unless they are sent by presidents he approves of.
I guess I can sympathize to an extent.
Just like me, he disapproves of draft-dodging presidents.
I ALSO disapprove of Bill Clinton.
But ISIS has to be dealt with regardless....
Don't you agree?
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