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Might as well be asking me to predict the next winning numbers of the lottery...
What I'm asking (and perhaps not doing such a good job at) is, if Trump is so different from Hillary values-wise, or politically, why was he such an ardent supporter of her in the past?
It's hard not to "poo poo" his positions when they seem to be ever changing, depending on who he is pandering to. You and I actually seem to agree on many things but this seems to be getting lost in translation somehow.
Okay, we're both white OGs, but what is most silly is to suggest the issue of illegal immigration is an easy one to address, and/or that liberals are for illegal immigration. That's what's sillly...
Also silly is blaming the likes on liberals when it is the business owners and employers calling the shots and hiring that labor, whether legal or not. As mentioned before, having owned an employment agency with many of those businesses as my clients, they really didn't care about legal working status. This made it very difficult for me to compete with other staffing companies that didn't check for legal status like my company did.
The subject is complex, quite involved, beyond what I am inclined to get into here, and I sense I would be wasting my time in any case, but if Trump's wall and/or his "ideas" along those lines are the answer, then America has worse problems coming our way than it knows, if in fact the electoral college doesn't make Hillary our next POTUS instead.
There's the firewall our founding fathers were smart to put in place to save America from itself at times like these, thank goodness for the electoral college...
I am quite aware that both Republican and Democrat business owners hire illegal alien and we need e-verify to stop them. It is mostly Democrat politicians and bleeding heart liberals that want amnesty for illegal aliens and some Republicans. The wall is not a bad idea. It will help the Border Patrol immensely. I am not talking about a 2,000 mile wall but the 700 mile wall already approved by congress but not funded. I supposed that's an old white guys fantasy according to you though? It's not just migrants looking for work that are slipping through our southern border but criminals and terrorists also.e
I have no idea if Trump could win the presidency but at least he is the only addressing illegal immigration in a way that is in the best interests of the American people. Hillary is not.
Have you got any facts to truly substantiate your claim I bolded above?
If we follow all you explain, we go from more resources needed to make VA services more efficient (not sure the wait is Obama's doing), no immigrants impacting that system anyway, and general funds for that purpose are approved on a non-partisan basis, but of course we all know which side stacks up where when it comes to the taxes needed to pay for such services...
Move along to Medicaid, our social health care system, and we have another source of "heartburn" for most conservatives who are loath to finance social services, and now we're going to blame illegal aliens for these shortcomings as well?
No one should argue that illegal aliens can and do pose something of an expense and/or burden when in fact they come from out of the shadows living their lives essentially in hiding from authorities. Mostly just wanting to work at those day-labor jobs left open, because no one else is there to fill them, in the fields, washing dishes, on assembly lines where companies could care less who is legal and who is not.
But to think that Trump is the man to make things better when it comes to social services, I've really got to wonder about that rationale altogether. Then again, when people somehow think that Trump's uuge wall will solve our problems, just about anything is possible...
Again, thank goodness for the electoral college that will keep Trump where he belongs, outside of politics.
First off only a small number of illegal aliens are hanging out a day labor sites and they are undercutting blue-collared workers by doing so. They have flooded the construction, landscaping industries and many other jobs that Americans use to do for a fair wage. If Americans were already doing those jobs prior to the flood of cheap, illegal labor how can you say with a straight face that there is no one else to do them but illegal aliens?
As for working in the fields, again only 2% of illegals are doing those jobs and for those jobs there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers. It's not a career job for Americans, it's seasonal and many Americans don't live in rural areas. Your defense of illegal immigration is desperate and laughable. The greedy employers that hire them not only increase their profits but pass their social costs onto we the taxpayer. The 700 mile wall on the most porous areas of our border won't be 100l% effective but it will go a long ways in deterring illegal immigration. We get it that you don't like Trump but is there any other candidate running that is willing to address this issue?
The world is changing, evolving, further populating, polluting, struggling as it always has...
Change is inevitable, such that old worlds no longer exist, not just here in America where white folks were the overwhelming majority, God-fearing Christians, making apple pies and drinking lemonade, but all countries to some extent or another are faded images of what they once were once upon a time.
Some change is good, some is bad, but lots is simply inevitable given a great many factors we humans must face whether we like these changes or not. In particular, older white folks who cling to days gone by don't much like the fact they are now becoming the minority, but this is NOT Obama's doing and this isn't going to change no matter how much some folks want to pretend this is the end of days thanks to Obama or socialism or "globalism." No matter how many more guns those people always want to buy to address just about any problem...
I don't much like crowding or pollution or violence, but I am resigned to "the way the world turns" and has been turning for a long time now. Better we get used to the idea of far greater diversity in general, including more tolerance and acceptance of others, because no matter how high a wall you imagine Trump might build, this tide of immigration, legal and/or illegal, is not going to reverse in our lifetimes.
If it makes you feel better to blame Obama or any other punching bag of your choosing, well that too is your perogative. Just wish there was more practical, realistic and sensible consideration about these developments though.
Right.., I hear there is a sale on shotguns at Walmart this weekend, ammo too!
Again, with the old white guy BS! Your snide remarks are duly noted. I don't know many including myself that has a problem with natural change but changing demographics due to massive illegal immigration is neither lawful, nor natural. Part of the problem is that even our legal immigration numbers aren't diversified anymore. When one ethnic group is favored overwhelmingly you don't get assimilation you get colonization instead and that's not diversity. That's not good change either.
I blame several administrations for this problem going all the way back to Ted Kennedy who opened the floodgates to any immigrant that could fly, swim or crawl over our border. He's the one who said it wouldn't alter our demographics. Yeah, right. We are no longer a melting pot but a salad bowl of immigrants that don't want to join mainstream America but remain separate instead. We are losing our identity as a nation and I get the feeling you don't care. If we lose our identity we lose our soul as a nation. As I said, I have no problem with immigrants that come here legally, assimilate into our society and in diversified, measured numbers. Is that a bad thing for us ole white guys to desire and any other patriotic Americans?
People I know are buying guns expecting a bad end to what is happening to this country. We better be ready because an all power government of socialism and globalism is getting closer . Our rights are being diminished and half the Americans go along with it.
Kerry said he wants to remove all borders.. it does not look good for Americans. Globalism will bring us down to the third world standard of living and the ruling elitists will grow richer.
You mean like the same people said was going to happen after Obama was elected?
What I'm asking (and perhaps not doing such a good job at) is, if Trump is so different from Hillary values-wise, or politically, why was he such an ardent supporter of her in the past?
It's hard not to "poo poo" his positions when they seem to be ever changing, depending on who he is pandering to. You and I actually seem to agree on many things but this seems to be getting lost in translation somehow.
Okay, interesting question, and I'm not sure I have the exact right answer anymore than anyone does when it comes to Trump, but Trump provided something of an answer himself when he said on that stage a few times during the GOP debates that he had given money to most everyone on the stage! Not sure that's "support" as much as how you get what you want from politicians in America today.
Trump, like AIPAC, has spread money around Congress much like gardeners spread nutrients in their garden to sprout seeds, hoping for a good harvest...
Not to sound like a broken record, but as I have made the point many times in these threads...
Obama, Sanders, even Trump have made this problem well known, but the American public just seems numb to the issue in general, and of course the Republicans won't let anything remotely campaign finance reforming to see the light of day, let alone pass into law.
I am quite aware that both Republican and Democrat business owners hire illegal alien and we need e-verify to stop them. It is mostly Democrat politicians and bleeding heart liberals that want amnesty for illegal aliens and some Republicans. The wall is not a bad idea. It will help the Border Patrol immensely. I am not talking about a 2,000 mile wall but the 700 mile wall already approved by congress but not funded. I supposed that's an old white guys fantasy according to you though? It's not just migrants looking for work that are slipping through our southern border but criminals and terrorists also.e
I have no idea if Trump could win the presidency but at least he is the only addressing illegal immigration in a way that is in the best interests of the American people. Hillary is not.
First off, whenever you have this equation laid out that goes something like this: immigrants, legal + illegal, (Hispanic either way) = criminals and terrorists, you are bound to make immigrants, legal + illegal, (Hispanics either way) feel insulted. IOWs, if with every comment about immigrants legal and/or illegal, there is always the reference to "criminals and terrorists" as you just did again, you can expect to offend a whole lot of people. After all, if they are legal, they have relatives who are not, relatives who are not "criminals and terrorists," but just people mostly trying to escape poverty, chasing opportunity, as all humans are generally/naturally inclined to do.
If offending Mexicans is Trump's goal, yours and that of the rest of Trump supporters, no doubt you are doing one Hell of a good job by constantly suggesting -- insisting really -- that Mexicans in general are the source of "criminal and terrorist" influx into America.
Regardless the politics, reality, right or wrong about any of that, Trump's wall makes about as much sense as a lighter in a house with a gas leak. Simply read the better reasoned more intelligent evaluations about that, and you will quickly come to know better, at least why it's a non-starter in any case. Yet, Trump supporters lap it up as if no fantasy is too far fetched for them.
Finally (though I could go on with quite the list of similar Trump related issues and problems), the issue of just what exactly makes for good immigration policy given Mexico at our border and the need for that labor over many decades now, makes for no simple solutions. Keep in mind, for example, many Hispanics are here legally. They come and go back-and-forth to/from Mexico as often as possible, visiting family, sending money home. Similarly, they have family that visits them. Americans and Mexicans have crossed our mutual border for many decades now, fairly freely.
The illegals don't come with bad intent, in fact the vast majority want to stay out of sight other than perhaps to visit relatives, maybe work some landscaping for some green backs, maybe to go back to Mexico soon, maybe not. There is no real way to police away that sort of thing, or wall it off. We are a very wealthy country, Mexico a poor one with problems much bigger than ours in many respects.
No one is for illegal activity on either side of the house, but the problem is that Trump does not understand or address the problem sensibly or rationally. Quite frankly, I don't think the Democrats have a handle on any real solution either, because much like so many of our problems from poverty to drugs to pollution..., there just ARE no easy answers or simple solutions, not even complicated solutions.
There's just the best we can do under the circumstances!
Once upon a time it was the Italians that were the target of anti-immigrant sentiments. There was a similar time for the Japanese, the Chinese. The problem is nothing new, but ultimately let's face it..., those most bothered by this evolution are older white guys who just don't take too comfortably becoming a minority instead of the clear majority. Not all, of course, but it is simply human nature to "look out for our own," and "our own" is generally those who look like we do...
Okay, interesting question, and I'm not sure I have the exact right answer anymore than anyone does when it comes to Trump, but Trump provided something of an answer himself when he said on that stage a few times during the GOP debates that he had given money to most everyone on the stage! Not sure that's "support" as much as how you get what you want from politicians in America today.
Trump, like AIPAC, has spread money around Congress much like gardeners spread nutrients in their garden to sprout seeds, hoping for a good harvest...
Not to sound like a broken record, but as I have made the point many times in these threads...
Obama, Sanders, even Trump have made this problem well known, but the American public just seems numb to the issue in general, and of course the Republicans won't let anything remotely campaign finance reforming to see the light of day, let alone pass into law.
OK, one last comment and I'm done flogging this dead horse...Trump has done more than simply give $$ to Hillary. He has endorsed her in the past and heaped praise on her. He has said previously that she would make a great President. Why would he show that kind of support if they didn't have at least very similar values and/or agendas?
First off only a small number of illegal aliens are hanging out a day labor sites and they are undercutting blue-collared workers by doing so. They have flooded the construction, landscaping industries and many other jobs that Americans use to do for a fair wage. If Americans were already doing those jobs prior to the flood of cheap, illegal labor how can you say with a straight face that there is no one else to do them but illegal aliens?
As for working in the fields, again only 2% of illegals are doing those jobs and for those jobs there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers. It's not a career job for Americans, it's seasonal and many Americans don't live in rural areas. Your defense of illegal immigration is desperate and laughable. The greedy employers that hire them not only increase their profits but pass their social costs onto we the taxpayer. The 700 mile wall on the most porous areas of our border won't be 100l% effective but it will go a long ways in deterring illegal immigration. We get it that you don't like Trump but is there any other candidate running that is willing to address this issue?
Think as you wish of course, most people who comment in these threads do regardless the truth of these matters...
I'm forgetting in what threads I have commented on this topic, because this topic is all over the place, but as I've explained somewhere before just today, I used to own an employment agency that hired literally thousands of workers on behalf of my business clients in need of labor at minimum wage. Guess what? I couldn't get any workers that weren't Hispanic! Not that I tried, but they were the only ones applying for these jobs that most white folks just passed on I guess, for whatever reason -- I don't really know -- I just know who applied for those jobs. I also made sure through eVerify that they were legal to work. In fact we did so well in those regards, we were part of the eVerify beta test!
These were not seasonal jobs either!
Can't tell you how tired I am of warding off these accusations WITH A TOTALLY STRAIGHT FACE, as if I'm making any of this up or as if I have some agenda other than simply to make known the truth of these matters, the real nature of these issues/problems.
It is absolutely laughable to suggest I defend illegal immigration given all I have done to deal with the problem and/or challenge of those who tried to get jobs that were not legal!
Not that I don't like Trump either (though I don't). It's that Trump doesn't make a damn bit of sense most of the time. He insults and badgers unnecessarily, inciting trouble as if we don't already have enough, and worse of all, he sucks in people like you who also don't know better.
I'm not sure who to blame for all that, but maybe best to blame Ted Kennedy as you suggest and/or insist, if we must play the blame game anyway. I'm pretty well spent on this subject for the day in any case. On to more productive endeavors which pretty much means on to just about anything else I might do including pounding sand...
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It's not just migrants looking for work that are slipping through our southern border but criminals and terrorists also.e
