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Old 06-24-2016, 07:04 PM
 
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However he is MUCH more against what donna j tramp stands for. By miles. By light years.

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Old 06-24-2016, 07:22 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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While the republican party struggles with turmoil... manipulation of convention rules, down-ballot candidates in serious trouble... etc. The opposite will be the case in Philadelphia.

Bernie Sanders says he'll vote for Hillary Clinton
Bernie Sanders says he'll vote for Hillary Clinton
Some of Bernie's supporters will not like it, in my opinion, and won't switch to Hillary. They certainly won't vote for Trump. They were a lot of naive, idealistic, non-voting young people anyway ... they would not have made any kind of significant difference in November anyway.

This is not a 'slam-dunk' for Hillary, and the Democrats would be foolish to start victory parties now. However this was an obstacle for Hillary and she prevailed in the end.

I'm hoping those people who are angry and frustrated with either the Republican or Democratic candidates will consider voting for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein. The two establishment parties need to have their feathers ruffled.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Texas
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His lobbyists want him to stay in, so he's staying in.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 08:01 PM
 
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Some of Bernie's supporters will not like it, in my opinion, and won't switch to Hillary. They certainly won't vote for Trump. They were a lot of naive, idealistic, non-voting young people anyway ... they would not have made any kind of significant difference in November anyway.

This is not a 'slam-dunk' for Hillary, and the Democrats would be foolish to start victory parties now. However this was an obstacle for Hillary and she prevailed in the end.

I'm hoping those people who are angry and frustrated with either the Republican or Democratic candidates will consider voting for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein. The two establishment parties need to have their feathers ruffled.
Johnson and Stein? Neither will get to 15% in the polls so they won't be in the debates and thus will only be bit players... however... a vote for Johnson or a vote for Stein is a vote trump doesn't get, thus in a way, helping HRC.

Look, she is going to win. The electoral college total won't be close.

If the the popular vote breaks down roughly something like...

Hillary 45%

trump 39%

Johnson 10 or 11%

Stein 5 or 6%

(there is a good chance it will end up like this)

The electoral college will be like 340-ish for HRC and 190-ish for tramp. Maybe Johnson can debate Stein on a UHF station somewhere.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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She's going to win big, in the electoral college. Not a landslide, but definitely a sizeable margin. It will be 60-40 or even better.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 08:21 PM
 
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Actually, her supporters are smart enough to not fall for the brain washing and know she's been the most honest of the candidates

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ntial-candida/

The Final Five -- on the Truth-O-Meter | PolitiFact Wisconsin

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-jill-abramson

Kevin Drum - March 2016 | Mother Jones

But hey, why look at facts when you can repeat memes, amirite?
As I said....... (I've covered most of those before) Like where they make the claim that the polls show Sanders is stronger than Hillary is a lie. They do.
 
Old 06-25-2016, 05:34 AM
 
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Damn him for standing up for the Constitution.
Pull out your pocket copy of our Constitution's Bill of Rights and ask yourself what part of well-regulated militia involves letting terrorists buy guns without so much as a background check? That's the gun lobby, not the Bill of Rights.

Founders were concerned about having a standing army. Feared it would mean the U.S would get involved in all sorts of nonsense that had nothing to do with protecting the homeland.

And for those who fear the government would turn on them, imagine if you will the Bundy crowd fighting off a Special Forces team with drones. The very thought of it is ludicrous.

As Molly Ivins used to say, "You got to dance with the guy what brung you." and the gun lobby brought Bernie to the dance.

Lot of politicians dancing to that establishment tune.
 
Old 06-25-2016, 05:36 AM
 
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As I said....... (I've covered most of those before) Like where they make the claim that the polls show Sanders is stronger than Hillary is a lie. They do.
Polls also showed that Mitt would win last time around and we all know how that went.
 
Old 06-25-2016, 05:40 AM
 
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Pull out your pocket copy of our Constitution's Bill of Rights and ask yourself what part of well-regulated militia involves letting terrorists buy guns without so much as a background check? That's the gun lobby, not the Bill of Rights.
IF they are terrorists what the hell are they doing here in the first place? We are talking secretive lists. We have NO idea why people are on there. We are saying you are guilty before proving you guilty of anything. If there is a reason to suspect someone either charge them or kick them out.

"Terrorists" can kill no matter what laws we pass. Are we stopping people on the no fly list from buying fertilizers? "Terrorists" are unable to get someone get them a gun?

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Founders were concerned about having a standing army. Feared it would mean the U.S would get involved in all sorts of nonsense that had nothing to do with protecting the homeland.
They did no such thing. They feared that of the government but not the people and where the government is concerned they are correct.

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And for those who fear the government would turn on them, imagine if you will the Bundy crowd fighting off a Special Forces team with drones? It's ludicrous on the face of it.

As Molly Ivins used to say, "You got to dance with the guy what brung you." and the gun lobby brought Bernie to the dance.

Lot of politicians dancing to that establishment tune.
As I've already pointed out, Afghanistan has held off both the U.S. and the Soviet Union despite being under armed.
 
Old 06-25-2016, 05:42 AM
 
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Polls also showed that Mitt would win last time around and we all know how that went.
Whether they are right or wrong wasn't what was questioned and from what I remember no poll ever said that.
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