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It makes perfect sense. They are not afraid Trump will lose, they are scared to death he will WIN.
They are willing to give up the Supreme Court for their own Power, prestige & cushy Inside the Beltway jobs.
They know what the fake poll internals are showing - Trump is not trailing Hillary, the polls are over-sampled with Dems.
Oh God, not the stoooooopid "oversampled Democrats" argument again. That's the same dumb rebuttal used by you folks last time around - and how did THAT turn out? I heard that same silly claim over and over and over again on FoxNews and just about every other Rightwing news source back in 2012 - "the polls can't be trusted because they oversample Democrats - so even though the vast majority of polls show Obama ahead, we're convinced we're the ones REALLY ahead". This stupid kind of logic is the reason Romney was totally shocked when he actually LOST the election. Here's just one of MANY articles making that claim back in 2012:
The reality - as folks found out in November - is that there is a much larger percentage of former GOP voters who are now calling themselves "Independent" than is the case on the Democrat side. The result is - YES less folks polled are LISTED as GOP members, but they are still the SAME group of folks who were formerly GOP members, they just now consider themselves to be "Independents". The problem is you (and other folks making this claim) are simply assuming that the same percentage of folks are still Republicans as used to be the case. Now it IS true that the Democratic party is having the same thing happen - but not at NEARLY the rate that the GOP has.
So, NO the polls are NOT "oversampling Democrats". The GOP is simply losing more voters to the "independent" block than is the case on the Democratic side.
But - keep telling yourself the fiction that "the polls oversample Democrats".
It makes perfect sense. They are not afraid Trump will lose, they are scared to death he will WIN.
They are willing to give up the Supreme Court for their own Power, prestige & cushy Inside the Beltway jobs.
They know what the fake poll internals are showing - Trump is not trailing Hillary, the polls are over-sampled with Dems.
Apparently Trump is watching those polls.
Trump's campaign is in free-fall and he knows it. He just fired his campaign manager. It won't help though, because the problem was (and IS) not the campaign manager, it was (and IS) TRUMP himself. The off-the-cuff, crazy talk that works with the idiot/ignorant wingnuts of the GOP simply DOES NOT work with the general public. Trump is leading the GOP into a November disaster.
Dozens of GOP delegates launch new push to halt Donald Trump
I think if the GOP somehow tosses out Drumpf's nomination, the party could dissolve. Drumpf played by their rules and won by a huge margin. Of course, they're a private organization and not bound by law to adhere to their own rules. But if they overturn their voters, the future of the Republican Party will be very bleak. They could be looking at extinction.
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Oh God, not the stoooooopid "oversampled Democrats" argument again. That's the same dumb rebuttal used by you folks last time around - and how did THAT turn out? I heard that same silly claim over and over and over again on FoxNews and just about every other Rightwing news source back in 2012 - "the polls can't be trusted because they oversample Democrats - so even though the vast majority of polls show Obama ahead, we're convinced we're the ones REALLY ahead". This stupid kind of logic is the reason Romney was totally shocked when he actually LOST the election. Here's just one of MANY articles making that claim back in 2012:
The reality - as folks found out in November - is that there is a much larger percentage of former GOP voters who are now calling themselves "Independent" than is the case on the Democrat side. The result is - YES less folks polled are LISTED as GOP members, but they are still the SAME group of folks who were formerly GOP members, they just now consider themselves to be "Independents". The problem is you (and other folks making this claim) are simply assuming that the same percentage of folks are still Republicans as used to be the case. Now it IS true that the Democratic party is having the same thing happen - but not at NEARLY the rate that the GOP has.
So, NO the polls are NOT "oversampling Democrats". The GOP is simply losing more voters to the "independent" block than is the case on the Democratic side.
But - keep telling yourself the fiction that "the polls oversample Democrats".
Ken
Not so but continue to try to convince yourself!
Last year, in addition to the 29% of Americans who identified as Democrats, another 16% said they were independents but leaned toward the Democratic Party, for a combined total of 45% Democrats and Democratic leaners among the U.S. population. Likewise, 26% of Americans identified as Republicans and an additional 16% identified as independents but leaned toward the Republican Party, for a combined total of 42% Republicans and Republican leaners.
Then there are the democrats that are voting Republican - but you forget about us! How many actually Republicans from the start were considering Hillary? None until their candidate became toast during the Republican run.
I think if the GOP somehow tosses out Drumpf's nomination, the party could dissolve. Drumpf played by their rules and won by a huge margin. Of course, they're a private organization and not bound by law to adhere to their own rules. But if they overturn their voters, the future of the Republican Party will be very bleak. They could be looking at extinction.
The majority of republicans did not vote for him. He only
got a thirty-something percent of their vote.
And I think many of those have woken up to political realities and would support
an alternative R candidate.
If republicans nominate Trump at the convention, every negative cliche that the liberal media, liberal colleges, liberal entertainment industry has spewed out about conservatives for decades now will be fulfilled and will set back republicans for a long long time.
The local TV channels were reporting that 9 Arizona delegates who are pledged to Trump will not attend the convention because they can not vote for him in good conscience. Could this be the way out? Simply not show.
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If they do not show, then alternates will be seated.
But at least the primary delegates won't have blood on their hands. That's somethin', right?
Last year, in addition to the 29% of Americans who identified as Democrats, another 16% said they were independents but leaned toward the Democratic Party, for a combined total of 45% Democrats and Democratic leaners among the U.S. population. Likewise, 26% of Americans identified as Republicans and an additional 16% identified as independents but leaned toward the Republican Party, for a combined total of 42% Republicans and Republican leaners.
Then there are the democrats that are voting Republican - but you forget about us! How many actually Republicans from the start were considering Hillary? None until their candidate became toast during the Republican run.
Again, the same stupid arguments as back in 2012. How'd that turn out again?
I swear you folks don't seem to EVER learn from experience.
And on top of all that. THIS year you have a candidate - ie Trump - who has succeeded in insulting and turning off just about everyone except old white under-educated males. Now THAT'S a recipe for success if ever I heard one.
Hispanic registration is SURGING - and I'll let you in on a little secret, it's NOT so they can vote for Trump. Considering that demographic is the fastest growing in America that's NOT good news for either Trump OR the GOP in the long run. Those folks are are NOT going to forget how Donald Trump - standard-bearer for the GOP - demeaned them. And although YOU may not feel he demeaned them, THEY do - and how THEY feel is a lot more important to how they vote (and how MOTIVATED they are to vote) than how YOU feel.
Get ready for a minority tidal wave in November and NOT ONE of those minority groups - not women, not blacks, not hispanics, not jews, not muslims, not asians, favor Trump - not a single one.
It's interesting to me that you, a Clinton supporter, would choose a screen name of someone who wrote The Balfour Declaration, supporting Jews to have a homeland in the then Palestinian nation, when that is Clinton's opposite goal.
Anyway, you do not have to get all wrapped around the axle about Trump. Trump is not going to be the nominee. There are way too many plans to keep from being just that. The GOP has worked very hard to make sure he is not the nominee. Almost every day you see some hint of a plan. For example, the GOP, some weeks ago, before Trump got to the magic number, said they planned to "test the purity" of Trump's delegates. Now, suddenly, delegates are coming out against Trump. One of many examples.
The GOP at first was in a little state of disarray because they never believed he would get that far. But he did. They even publicly stated they would vote for Clinton above Trump. They have to protect their little kingdoms SOMEHOW.
He's not going to be the nominee. Looks like Obama shipped in all those millions of immigrants for a fresh voter base for nothing.
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Originally Posted by LordBalfor
Again, the same stupid arguments as back in 2012. How'd that turn out again?
I swear you folks don't seem to EVER learn from experience.
And on top of all that. THIS year you have a candidate - ie Trump - who has succeeded in insulting and turning off just about everyone except old white under-educated males. Now THAT'S a recipe for success if ever I heard one.
Hispanic registration is SURGING - and I'll let you in on a little secret, it's NOT so they can vote for Trump. Considering that demographic is the fastest growing in America that's NOT good news for either Trump OR the GOP in the long run. Those folks are are NOT going to forget how Donald Trump - standard-bearer for the GOP - demeaned them. And although YOU may not feel he demeaned them, THEY do - and how THEY feel is a lot more important to how they vote (and how MOTIVATED they are to vote) than how YOU feel.
Get ready for a minority tidal wave in November and NOT ONE of those minority groups - not women, not blacks, not hispanics, not jews, not muslims, not asians, favor Trump - not a single one.
It's interesting to me that you, a Clinton supporter, would choose a screen name of someone who wrote The Balfour Declaration, supporting Jews to have a homeland in the then Palestinian nation, when that is Clinton's opposite goal.
Anyway, you do not have to get all wrapped around the axle about Trump. Trump is not going to be the nominee. There are way too many plans to keep from being just that. The GOP has worked very hard to make sure he is not the nominee. Almost every day you see some hint of a plan. For example, the GOP, some weeks ago, before Trump got to the magic number, said they planned to "test the purity" of Trump's delegates. Now, suddenly, delegates are coming out against Trump. One of many examples.
The GOP at first was in a little state of disarray because they never believed he would get that far. But he did. They even publicly stated they would vote for Clinton above Trump. They have to protect their little kingdoms SOMEHOW.
He's not going to be the nominee. Looks like Obama shipped in all those millions of immigrants for a fresh voter base for nothing.
Different name - my handle has NOTHING to do with the British Lord Balfour (hence the spelling difference) I just like the name. It's good to know that you know a little history though.
If Trump IS denied the nomination - better yet, his rabid followers will either follow him as a 3rd party candidate or write him in -further splitting the GOP vote. If he DOES get the nomination then those "never Trump" folks will either work against him, vote for someone else, or sit out the election. Either way, it's bad for the GOP and good for Hillary,
Ken
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