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Old 07-03-2016, 12:59 PM
 
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Just like how Ross Perot got Bill Clinton elected, right?

Gary Who?
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Old 07-03-2016, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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A stoner and a guy who is labeled a drunk/establishment guy who favor open borders/ignore the rule of law that has become so fashionable lately.

Blog: VP hopeful William Weld fails to impress at Libertarian Party Convention

The Libertarian Party Is In Turmoil Over Its Vice Presidential Nominee

RHINO/GOP lite v2.

What could go wrong?
I wouldn't put too much into anything written by HPost. As for pot head, you do realize more states are legalizing it all the time don't you? I don't which one you are referring to that wants total open borders. Unless Johnson has changed his stand 100% he is not in favor of open borders. As for a RINO, there is a reason he has switched his party; yes, he admits he is not a conservative socially. If you really think Trump is a conservative, you might have a sad awakening if her gets elected.
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Old 07-03-2016, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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I wouldn't put too much into anything written by HPost. As for pot head, you do realize more states are legalizing it all the time don't you? I don't which one you are referring to that wants total open borders. Unless Johnson has changed his stand 100% he is not in favor of open borders. As for a RINO, there is a reason he has switched his party; yes, he admits he is not a conservative socially. If you really think Trump is a conservative, you might have a sad awakening if her gets elected.
Read my detailed post about 3 posts back on the border issue, towards the end of page 3 and feel free to comment on it.
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Old 07-03-2016, 01:38 PM
 
Location: ATL via ROC
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CNN and MSNBC talk about Johnson because they know he helps
Hillary win the election.

This is why they don't talk about Jill Stein, because they know
Stein takes away from Hillary.

In 1992, Bill Clinton won because of Ross Perot.
In 1996, Bill Clinton won because of Ross Perot.
In 2000, GWB won because of Ralph Nader.

In 2004, 2008, and 2012, Americans remembered this and did not
vote for a "third party" in significant numbers, because they saw
how it works.

If these facts are forgotten, Gary Johnson will elect Hlilary Clinton.
He may as well be named Gary Clinton !
What a ridiculous notion. I can cite you poll after poll that shows Gary Johnson actually takes slightly more away from Democrats than he does Republicans, but ultimately it is about an equal share of the electorate. I'm tired of hearing this rhetoric year after year from the party who sees an alternative candidate as a threat, using scare tactics to try to keep their voters in line instead of them voting for who they actually agree with and want to see elected president. A vote for Gary Johnson is not a vote for anybody except Gary Johnson. To suggest otherwise is massively ignorant.

And to address your examples from previous years. Ridiculous. Exit polls show Perot voters would've went to Clinton moreso than Bush. He took 5 percentage points away from Bill Clinton and a net percentage of ZERO away from H.W.

Al Gore was the reason George Bush was elected in 2000.

Nobody ever wants to take responsibility for their shortcomings and failures in politics, they'd rather point fingers and blame somebody else.

The only wasted vote is one where you didn't vote your heart and conscious. You owe it to yourself and your country to take time and evaluate each candidate on the ballot and pick who you believe would do the best job as commander in chief. In my personal opinion, Hillary and Trump have absolutely shown they do not have the judgement or temperament to lead this nation, and their policies would be disastrous. The ticket of Gary Johnson and Bill Weld would be highly effective in charge of this country. They are rational, logical men who are devoted to what is in the best interests of this country as a whole, rather than to their special interests. They have a combined 20 years of executive experience where they were able to successfully govern their respective states and turn their communities into stronger, safer and healthier places to live. The donkey and the elephant can hardly say the same...
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Old 07-03-2016, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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The ticket of Gary Johnson and Bill Weld would be highly effective in charge of this country. They are rational, logical men who are devoted to what is in the best interests of this country as a whole, rather than to their special interests. They have a combined 20 years of executive experience where they were able to successfully govern their respective states and turn their communities into stronger, safer and healthier places to live. The donkey and the elephant can hardly say the same...
I agree with the above.

Both parties are too corrupt to change anything.
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Old 07-04-2016, 01:14 AM
 
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For those who say johnson/weld aren't for more of an open border stance, you really need to read their website:

https://johnsonweld.com/issues/

Especially this last line sounds like one out of the obama/clinton playbook:

So let them all flow in except the few who are the bad apples and we'll concentrate on "the bad actors" and "criminals". There's your open border stance people. And reality check.....according to our nations law, ANYONE who crosses into our border illegally is a "criminal". These guys sound like obama in making the law flexible according to his politician whim. Make illegals legal, against the constitution/laws these guys swore to uphold. oh, you know, except the real bad one's, the other law breakers are ok. Can't make this stuff up people.

On many levels, I feel this is wrong. Not only is it ignoring our immigration laws our laws state you can't enter our country illegally, period, not just the "criminals and bad actors", and it's a kick in the face to our nation who can't employ all it's current citizens in the 10's of millions who can't find a job/gave up looking.

So for those people who call themselves "conservatives" and think trump is too liberal/not a serious conservative, how in the world can these "conservatives" vote for these guys given the border/illegal immigration issue is a hallmark of conservatism? It's hypocritical.

If you're a RINO that leans pretty far left or someone who likes clinton or sanders given their amnesty/open border stance similar to these guys, sure, I can see how voting for these guys makes more sense.

But again, you "conservatives" who are fed up with how "liberal" trump is wanting to vote for johnson/weld? You aren't anywhere near conservative, just on their border stance alone.
Again, you are incorrect. Let them flow in? He's only for letting immigrants in LEGALLY and on WORK VISAS.

https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-...-this-country/

"Hardworking, law abiding immigrants should be able to get a work visa – but not a green card nor citizenship – as easily as possible. That way a background check can be performed and the applicable taxes can be paid. They won’t get the right to vote or anything else but the government can at least stop wasting resources apprehending them."
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Old 07-04-2016, 01:54 AM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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Again, you are incorrect. Let them flow in? He's only for letting immigrants in LEGALLY and on WORK VISAS.

https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-...-this-country/

"Hardworking, law abiding immigrants should be able to get a work visa – but not a green card nor citizenship – as easily as possible. That way a background check can be performed and the applicable taxes can be paid. They won’t get the right to vote or anything else but the government can at least stop wasting resources apprehending them."
Nonsense. From your source above:

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The immigrants that are already here who have either overstayed their original visa, or have crossed the border illegally, should be given the chance to apply for that same work visa.
Read that carefully. Reward the lawbreakers who crossed here illegally and give them the chance to apply for a work visa. Awarding illegal behavior. 10's of millions of american legal citizens out of work on top of that and give the illegals a chance too jump in the job market after they jump the line and come here illegally. And why not slap the face of those who migrated here legally, took the time, played by the rule of law a little harder while he's at it. And you think this is fair and valid, ignore the law, kick in the gut those who play by the rule of law? This is the guy/policies you're gushing over to vote for? That part about a president swearing that they will uphold the rule of law of the constitution should go out the window now if these types of clowns are sworn in office and their ideology should overrule the laws we are all suppose to follow?

From cruz to former RINO's who are taking a page out of the liberal left/clinton book and reward illegal behavior. You have gone far off the other end dexter75.

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Old 07-04-2016, 02:05 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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They have my vote. Too bad all the lemmings will just blindly vote dem or rep.
What makes you think you are any more serious with your vote than the next guy in line? or any better informed?

Calling other voters lemmings does nothing at all for your long shot candidates, not matter how special name calling makes you feel. It smacks of arrogance and much disrespect, and can only harden the problems your guys are trying to overcome.


If you were more serious about getting Johnson/Weld elected, then knock off the phony elitism, or prepare for genuine sorrow in November. If either of these guys could speak directly to you, both you question why you want to put hobbles on them when they both have to run extra fast and hard.

The other problem with name calling is it could make you, or anyone who's planning to vote for them, appear to actually be for either Clinton or Trump. Trying to shame a voter into your way of thinking by using such casual name calling won't ever work. It never does.
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Old 07-04-2016, 02:07 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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Brilliant! Too bad most the American public is too stupid and brainwashed to vote for these guys. Instead, they will hold their nose and vote for either Dishonest Donald or Criminal Hillary, two of the biggest lying frauds of all time Vote Johnson/Weld!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGD8gJt7weU
First you were for lyin' Ted, and now the two libertarian losers? And you're calling the American public, stupid! Lol....
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Old 07-04-2016, 04:54 AM
 
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They have a track record on how they govern. It should mean something.
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