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Old 07-14-2016, 12:52 PM
 
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Agreed and ignored Bush's role.

I am partisan agnostic.

Better Pense than the Newt.
In that I agree with the caveat that I can change my mind as I do not know a lot about Pence. Nothing will make me believe a Newt pick would be positive. Then again, I'm not the target audience.

 
Old 07-14-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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Trump is anti-war too:

"There's so much oil, people don't know what to do with it. And, yet, because of OPEC, that is the story. It is very sad. But, if we got rid of this war, and if we got oil down, this country would be unbelievable. You wouldn't even need this." -Trump to Neil Cavuto, Fox News, 2008
Spence supported the Iraq war and NAFTA and the TPP. Is this the "pivot" Trump is talking about he would do in the general?
 
Old 07-14-2016, 12:56 PM
 
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Many blame Clinton and overlook Congress.

Now here we are ignoring Bush and blaming Congress.

Can't have it both ways.

As for the bank bailout portion of TARP, anyway you look at it, FDIC was on the hook and its resources would have quickly been exhausted.
Many credit Clinton and overlook Congress for the strong 1990s economy.

Many overlook Bush for the booming economy of 2004-07.

Repubs are not the only ones who like it both ways.
 
Old 07-14-2016, 01:05 PM
 
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Many overlook Bush for the booming economy of 2004-07.
You mean the housing bubble? No, he gets a lot of credit for it, since he was the one who kept feeding the fires.

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Old 07-14-2016, 01:12 PM
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You mean the housing bubble? No, gets a lot of credit for it, since he was the one who kept feeding the fires.
Bush is of the left.

The "Read my lips, no new taxes," "voodoo economics"-deriding (and if you concur you only prove this point), population-reduction promoting Bushes are a neocon family.

The "neo-" in neocon means "new-," "improved-," "with it-," "groovy-," "lefty anodyne-." Aka, leftist Republicans, Rockefeller Republicans. The neocon movement's founder, Bill Kristol's dad, was a self-described "Trotskyist" (http://www.pbs.org/arguing/nyintelle...krystol_2.html).

Bushes and Kristols and their cabal are a leftist infection of the GOP, designed to co-opt both parties by infusing them with identical values, including warmongering.

And as you've seen in the last few months, neocons don't leave the GOP quietly. But they're promising they don't want to be at Trump's and Pence's convention for real conservatives.
 
Old 07-14-2016, 01:18 PM
 
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You mean the housing bubble? No, gets a lot of credit for it, since he was the one who kept feeding the fires.
The bubble portion was caused by Democrats encouraging everyone to buy a $400,000 house on a $30,000 salary then encouraging the banks to securitize the mess.
 
Old 07-14-2016, 01:20 PM
 
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Bush is of the left.

The "Read my lips, no new taxes," "voodoo economics"-deriding (and if you concur you only prove this point), population-reduction promoting Bushes are a neocon family.

The "neo-" in neocon means "new-," "improved-," "with it-," "groovy-," "lefty anodyne-." Aka, leftist Republicans, Rockefeller Republicans. The neocon movement's founder, Bill Kristol's dad, was a self-described "Trotskyist" (http://www.pbs.org/arguing/nyintelle...krystol_2.html).

Bushes and Kristols and their cabal are a leftist infection of the GOP, designed to co-opt both parties by infusing them with identical values, including warmongering.

And as you've seen in the last few months, neocons don't leave the GOP quietly. But they're promising they don't want to be at Trump's and Pence's convention for real conservatives.
So, Trump is a 'real conservative', and nothing like Bush
 
Old 07-14-2016, 01:24 PM
 
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Bush is of the left.

The "Read my lips, no new taxes," "voodoo economics"-deriding (and if you concur you only prove this point), population-reduction promoting Bushes are a neocon family.

The "neo-" in neocon means "new-," "improved-," "with it-," "groovy-," "lefty anodyne-." Aka, leftist Republicans, Rockefeller Republicans. The neocon movement's founder, Bill Kristol's dad, was a self-described "Trotskyist" (http://www.pbs.org/arguing/nyintelle...krystol_2.html).

It's a leftist infection of the GOP, designed to co-opt both parties by infusing them with identical values, including warmongering.

And as you've seen in the last few months, neocons don't leave the GOP quietly. But they're promising they don't want to be at Trump's and Pence's convention for real conservatives.
Please do not try to pawn of Dubya on 'the left'.


That's total crap. He's yours, a true Blue republican, trickle down economics and all.


Plus Iraq.


You can keep him.
 
Old 07-14-2016, 01:25 PM
 
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Mike Pence, Trump’s likely running mate, has backed every free trade deal in the last 15 years


Pence has backed every free trade deal in the past 15 years. That goes completely against Trump's stance.
 
Old 07-14-2016, 01:29 PM
 
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Pence's other big issue is the Religious Freedom Restoration Act which, allowed businesses to discriminate against individuals based on their sexual orientation and gender identity. He got so much crap for that from the LGBT community and others, that he revised it. But the LGBT didn't like the revisions and the religious right didn't like that he revised it, so nobody was happy with that.

I think he would definitely alienate the LGBT community in the election and others who prefer not to have religion affecting laws. He is heavily influenced by religion in governing. This might fly in Indiana, but the rest of the country prefers secular government.

Mike Pence Signs Revised Indiana 'Religious Freedom' Law
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