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Old 10-12-2020, 12:08 PM
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/u....co/wtTfvdlCrL

This is a really fascinating breakdown of Biden’s strength in WI and MI. According to the survey, Biden leads 51-41 in WI and 48-40 in MI. This result is due to, in significant part, the “walk away from Trump” phenomenon that I had mentioned several months ago. I witnessed it among my relatives, and I’ve noticed it among my circle of friends, many of whom are simply hardworking Americans without college education, including myself. This phenomenon also insulates the Biden lead from polling errors, somewhat, in that people who openly admit voting for Trump in 2016, but have since decided to vote for Biden, rarely lie. They are not “shy Trump voters”. They don’t have significant recall lapses.

I truly believe Trump’s campaign has overestimated their strength among voters without college degrees. Many people in midwestern states are walking away from Trump in 2020. Trump is making last minute appearances in IA now that their campaign is seeing IA and OH within MOE. Their internals continue to show Biden +5-6 in MI, WI, PA without any movement heading into T minus 3 weeks. They are out of money. Time is running out.

How does Trump lure back these “walk away from Trump” midwestern voters with 3 weeks left? Most of these voters support RvW and the current SCOTUS hearings only hurt Trump with this voter bloc. The economy does not appear to be headed in the right direction and COVID cases are rising, particularly in this region.

Is his only play voter suppression?
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Old 10-12-2020, 01:09 PM
 
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Lots of polls are showing 2016 Trump voters switching to Biden for 2020. Florida's polls show this too. Seems to be a trend. Some polls show a 4% net gain to Biden due to Trump voters changing sides.

People that didn't vote in 2016 or those that voted 3rd party in 2016 also favor Biden.
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Old 10-12-2020, 01:20 PM
 
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Very lame and short-sighted to vote on personality.

Comparing accomplishments, the President has a massive list. Biden's 47 years in government in turn yielded nothing.
Trump hasnt accomplished anything other than 1 or 2 bills that would of passed regardless of whos in office. The non-cultists see this which is why hes losing. Trump voters are voting for Trump just cause they like the guy
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Old 10-12-2020, 01:46 PM
 
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Biden is a longshot to win MI. On top of everything else, the tremendous disapproval of Governor Whitmer will land on Biden first, since Whitmer is mid-term.
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Old 10-12-2020, 01:49 PM
 
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Biden is a longshot to win MI. On top of everything else, the tremendous disapproval of Governor Whitmer will land on Biden first, since Whitmer is mid-term.
Define “long shot” and support with data.
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Old 10-12-2020, 01:51 PM
 
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Trump hasnt accomplished anything other than 1 or 2 bills that would of passed regardless of whos in office. The non-cultists see this which is why hes losing. Trump voters are voting for Trump just cause they like the guy
No... we're voting for him because of his accomplishments... a list a helluva lot longer than anything Biden has done in his 47 years as a career politician.

Trump nailed it in the debate when he told Joe he's done more in 4 years than Joe has done in 47.

100% truth... and won the debate... along with the law and order speech that Biden had no answer to.

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Old 10-12-2020, 02:09 PM
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/u....co/wtTfvdlCrL

This is a really fascinating breakdown of Biden’s strength in WI and MI. According to the survey, Biden leads 51-41 in WI and 48-40 in MI. This result is due to, in significant part, the “walk away from Trump” phenomenon that I had mentioned several months ago. I witnessed it among my relatives, and I’ve noticed it among my circle of friends, many of whom are simply hardworking Americans without college education, including myself. This phenomenon also insulates the Biden lead from polling errors, somewhat, in that people who openly admit voting for Trump in 2016, but have since decided to vote for Biden, rarely lie. They are not “shy Trump voters”. They don’t have significant recall lapses.

I truly believe Trump’s campaign has overestimated their strength among voters without college degrees. Many people in midwestern states are walking away from Trump in 2020. Trump is making last minute appearances in IA now that their campaign is seeing IA and OH within MOE. Their internals continue to show Biden +5-6 in MI, WI, PA without any movement heading into T minus 3 weeks. They are out of money. Time is running out.

How does Trump lure back these “walk away from Trump” midwestern voters with 3 weeks left? Most of these voters support RvW and the current SCOTUS hearings only hurt Trump with this voter bloc. The economy does not appear to be headed in the right direction and COVID cases are rising, particularly in this region.

Is his only play voter suppression?
Well that helps explain the polls we are seeing. Yea...somebody who admits they voted for Trump in 16 and are voting Biden in 20....is not a "shy" Trump voter.
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Old 10-12-2020, 02:14 PM
 
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No... we're voting for him because of his accomplishments... a list a helluva lot longer than anything Biden has done in his 47 years as a career politician.

Trump nailed it in the debate when he told Joe he's done more in 4 years than Joe has done in 47.

100% truth... and won the debate... along with the law and order speech that Biden had no answer to.

No your voting for him cause you like his personality. He hasnt accomplished anything and the GOP Congress during his presidency is the least productive in 164 years.

https://theweek.com/articles/711503/...tive-164-years

Trump just signs unenforcable executive orders and bills so he can look like hes doing something
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Old 10-12-2020, 06:03 PM
 
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Define “long shot” and support with data.
I don't see a way to get reliable polling data this year. A political phone call could be advertising, a poll, a scam, or intimidation. Polling results will be skewed by a shrinking number of people who answer random calls. Maybe some pollsters called me today. I don't know because all I see is an unfamiliar number.

I've been watching the Democrats' trainwreck for four years, but it's not officially a wreck yet until they start salvage operations next month.
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Old 10-12-2020, 08:13 PM
 
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I don't see a way to get reliable polling data this year. A political phone call could be advertising, a poll, a scam, or intimidation. Polling results will be skewed by a shrinking number of people who answer random calls. Maybe some pollsters called me today. I don't know because all I see is an unfamiliar number.

I've been watching the Democrats' trainwreck for four years, but it's not officially a wreck yet until they start salvage operations next month.
This is a non answer worthy of Mike Pence.

I asked you specifically which pollsters were reporting in 2016 that are not reporting now. It was your position that the absence of these pollsters is tilting the polls towards Biden. Who exactly are they?
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