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Old 10-14-2020, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Trump extended the border by 16 miles. Just 16. That's it. His signature campaign slogan, other than "Lock Her Up" (which also he made no headway), is simply just 16 miles of new border wall.

The border wall was a great scam to get votes. But Trump has only given it a lick and a promise to make you think he actually cares to finish it. He could have had all the funding he needed back in 2017 or 2018. He had a Trifecta (House, Senate, Oval Office). Whatever funding was necessary, he could have had it. Instead, he passed a large tax cut for the rich and crumbs for us peons and a failed attempt at repealing Obamacare.

That was Trump's priority. Not the wall. Nor is it his priority now. Even though, it was an easy win for him to get this done. He just opted to take care of the rich instead.
The border wall was such a scam that his campaign manager, Steve Bannon, had to create a fraudulent GoFundMe account to collect money for citizens to supposedly pay for it. Of course he ended up stealing the money and using it for himself instead, lol.
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Old 10-14-2020, 10:56 AM
 
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It was a scam as far as America should be concerned. It was genius as far as Trump is concerned. His signature promise, undelivered while he got huge tax cuts for the wealthy. Thanks, 46% of America that got fooled.
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:02 AM
 
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Biden is a longshot to win MI. On top of everything else, the tremendous disapproval of Governor Whitmer will land on Biden first, since Whitmer is mid-term.
This comment is bizarre. Michigan is the safest of all Biden swing states. Its the one state among them I would bet cash money on him carrying. Clinton only lost it by 20k votes with a major AA undervote in Detroit and bleeding support in blue collar areas. With increased numbers in both those areas, more of the Catholic vote and more suburban support I see no way for it to swing Trump. A Trump win in Michigan is as likely as a Biden win in Texas.
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:15 AM
 
Location: 404
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I've seen a few Trump: No More Bull**** signs and bumper stickers. I assume those are pro-Trump, but they could also be anti-Trump.
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:24 AM
 
Location: 0.83 Atmospheres
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Having a "Mean Girls" philosophy in your voting indicates very a juvenile philosophy on politics.

Yikes!
Ha! Glass houses/pot-kettle. Nobody more juvenile than Trump.
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:27 AM
 
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Lots of polls are showing 2016 Trump voters switching to Biden for 2020.

Anecdotally, I don't know of one.
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:39 AM
 
Location: 404
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This comment is bizarre. Michigan is the safest of all Biden swing states. Its the one state among them I would bet cash money on him carrying. Clinton only lost it by 20k votes with a major AA undervote in Detroit and bleeding support in blue collar areas. With increased numbers in both those areas, more of the Catholic vote and more suburban support I see no way for it to swing Trump. A Trump win in Michigan is as likely as a Biden win in Texas.
The Obama years were fine for a few wealthy and booming states. In the Rust Belt and many states across the US, there was growing desperation and anger as the jobless recovery passed them by. Trump saw that starting a long way back, while Dems still deny it or insult and blame the poor and unemployed.
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:50 AM
 
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The Obama years were fine for a few wealthy and booming states. In the Rust Belt and many states across the US, there was growing desperation and anger as the jobless recovery passed them by. Trump saw that starting a long way back, while Dems still deny it or insult and blame the poor and unemployed.
You're not wrong, the rust belt states had the toughest recovery coming out of the financial crisis, and a lot of industries never fully recovered. However, I'm not seeing where Trump changed anything for them, in fact there was a downward trend in manufacturing jobs entering 2020, before the pandemic made things worse.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/05/manu...trump-win.html
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Old 10-14-2020, 12:25 PM
 
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The problem for many of those Rustbelt sates is the jobs have been leaving for 45 years. And while everyone answers China there is a much more difficult issue to address- a lot of them went to right-to-work states in the south and some went overseas but the majority simply went away. Automation, engineering manufacturing process themselves, and computerizations basically cut the number of bodies necessary in a plant by 75%. Add in a longer lifespan for a lot of equipment and machinery and the move to have modular parts used across products also cut down on the number of products even produced.

Then you get to the real sticking point- what the blue collar guys in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio really want are union jobs. And they are not going to find those voting for Trump, Kasich, Scott Walker or Snyder like they have the last decade. The jobs that are out there will require moving South or west. Ironically sixty years ago it was southerners who migrated north for the economic opportunities.

You also have to factor in how many blue collar worker behave exactly the same as upper middle class voters and vote social issues instead of their pocketbook.
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Old 10-14-2020, 12:39 PM
 
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America is not ready for a plagiarizing, pedophile, racist like Joe Biden

If he did not have the media support blessed by The Entertainment Division of the Democratic Socialistic Party he'd be out quicker then Harris in the primary.

Using the game plan of voting for this memory stricken now starting to shuffle more then walk
Zombie then we'll find out his agenda will not work this time

After 47 years the only people who benefited are his son, brother, daughter & son in-law
and a few in China, Ukraine & Russia.


America is much smarter then The Democratic Socialistic Party thinks
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