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Old 10-01-2016, 07:36 AM
 
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I think it's pretty simple. Trump like Putin is an autocrat. He's made it clear that he admires "strong leaders" like Vlad. Even if Trump does not directly try to ally with Russia, he is willing to break our alliance with NATO, which would effectively open the door to a re-emergence of a new Soviet Union, starting with Ukraine.
Maybe we should ditch our grubber NATO partners and ally with Russia. That would be one heck of a feat for a president. Russia and USA bombing ISIS together. Oh la la

Edit: not all the nato partners, just the ones we protect that won't write off our debt
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Old 10-01-2016, 07:37 AM
 
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Trump supporter denial.
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Old 10-01-2016, 07:44 AM
 
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Trump supporter denial.
I gave you the reason why the Russians would prefer Trump, but like all Liberals you want to ignore Obama and Hillary's proxy wars in the middle east.
So who is in denial?


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Old 10-01-2016, 07:48 AM
 
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Maybe we should ditch our grubber NATO partners and ally with Russia. That would be one heck of a feat for a president. Russia and USA bombing ISIS together. Oh la la

Edit: not all the nato partners, just the ones we protect that won't write off our debt
Russia is comitting war crimes bombing civilians, no thanks, not ISIS. They will be facing terrorism in their own borders no doubtfrom angry Muslims in their own sphere of influence. No thanks to that either.
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Old 10-01-2016, 07:51 AM
 
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I gave you the reason why the Russians would prefer Trump, but like all Liberals you want to ignore Obama and Hillary's proxy wars in the middle east.
So who is in denial?


bill
But your ignoring Russian designs. By encouraging and supporting Russian agression Trump would make our nation more unsafe. But Trump supporter denial prevents you from seeing that. When sense enters the argument, just remind yourself he is going to build a big wall, then all is ok.
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Old 10-01-2016, 07:53 AM
 
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I think it's pretty simple. Trump like Putin is an autocrat. He's made it clear that he admires "strong leaders" like Vlad. Even if Trump does not directly try to ally with Russia, he is advocating that we break our alliance with NATO, which would effectively open the door to a re-emergence of a new Soviet Union, starting with Ukraine. NATO and our missile defense in Europe are the one of the key reasons that the Russians have not been more aggressive. Hell YES they'd love to see him elected.

More silly liberal propaganda
Trump is not advocating that we break up NATO, just the opposite really, he is demanding that the other nations hold up there end of the agreement.
NATO nations are required to spend a certain amount of there GDP on defense, most do not, leaving the US, UK, and a few others to make up the difference.



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Old 10-01-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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But your ignoring Russian designs. By encouraging and supporting Russian agression Trump would make our nation more unsafe. But Trump supporter denial prevents you from seeing that. When sense enters the argument, just remind yourself he is going to build a big wall, then all is ok.
Please enlighten me to Russia's designs.
The US is backing a rebellion in one of Russia's allies, they are not doing anything the US hasn't done in the past and would do in the future.

please tell me how getting into a proxy war with the only other nation that counts there nukes by the thousand is going to make the US safer.

And why is it that we are backing the rebels in Syria? Spreading democracy? How is that working out in the failed state of Libya, currently the biggest ISIS recruiting ground. Is that making us safer?

Liberal denial at its finest.


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Old 10-01-2016, 08:31 AM
 
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Please enlighten me to Russia's designs.
The US is backing a rebellion in one of Russia's allies, they are not doing anything the US hasn't done in the past and would do in the future.

please tell me how getting into a proxy war with the only other nation that counts there nukes by the thousand is going to make the US safer.

And why is it that we are backing the rebels in Syria? Spreading democracy? How is that working out in the failed state of Libya, currently the biggest ISIS recruiting ground. Is that making us safer?

Liberal denial at its finest.


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Ask Paul Manafort and see how a plank on the RNC policy changed during the RNC convention for starters.
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Old 10-01-2016, 08:44 AM
 
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Russia is comitting war crimes bombing civilians, no thanks, not ISIS. They will be facing terrorism in their own borders no doubtfrom angry Muslims in their own sphere of influence. No thanks to that either.
The Russians are bombing a rebel held city, that is no more a war crime than the US bombing of German city's during WW2.
The rebels and ISIS are known to intermingle within civilian areas.
If the US would stop backing the rebels the war would quickly end, thus saving countless lives.
At this point it is only Obama's pig headed pride that is keeping this war going.

The Russians will reap what they have sown, not our problem or our concern.



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Old 10-01-2016, 08:57 AM
 
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Ask Paul Manafort and see how a plank on the RNC policy changed during the RNC convention for starters.
LOL this is your best argument, I wasn't aware that the RNC was directing Obama and his SOS Hillary to embroil the US in more useless foreign wars.

Why not just admit that Obama and Hillary are war mongers, you Libs had no problem calling Bush one for basically doing the same things.



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