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Old 10-12-2016, 08:48 PM
 
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sorry to do this to you, but facts sometimes have a tendency to get in the way.

[I]"Wealthy Muslims helped Donald Trump build his empire[/i]"

[I]Here’s a look at some of the more prominent deals and partnerships with Muslim individuals, governments, and companies that have buoyed the Trump brand over the years.[/i]

Qatar, a constitutional monarchy ruled by Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, has had a “corporate campus” in the Trump Tower on 5th Avenue in Manhattan since at least 2008.
Qatar considers Islam the official religion and Sharia law the principal source of its legislation.

Prince Mutaib bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, a former minister in the Saudi government, and member of the Saudi royal family, reportedly lives in a floor at Trump Towers. Other Trump property tenants include Prince Nawaf bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud, a Saudi royal family member who owns a 10,500 sq. foot (975 sq. meter) condo at the Heritage at Trump Place.

When Trump’s businesses empire crumbled in the 1990s, the high profile Saudi prince, Prince Alwaleed known for investments from Citigroup to Hyundai, agreed to take majority control of New York’s Plaza hotel, giving Trump “more breathing room with bank creditors,”

Trump International Golf Club: A club that Trump promises will exceed “all expectations” is at the center of a new real estate development called “Akoya” by DAMAC, a Dubai real estate development club.

Around the golf course, there will be nine apartments blocks and hundreds of villas. The first of these, the “Trump Estates” properties were rolled out in 2014. Trump promised that they would “set the new standard of luxury in the Middle East

Wealthy Muslims helped Donald Trump build his empire


If you'd care to expand your sphere, I can go into Trump's arrangements in Azerbaijan, Russia, Georgia and other communist nations or I can fill up some more pages just with his ME holdings. Fact is, Trump Organization does more business with ME partners than many governments.
Hate to break it to you but Qatar Air didn't sign a lease in Trump tower back in 2008 so they could get political favors. No, they pay rent to occupy space. If Qatar Air didn't lease the space, another company would have. Trump doesn't need Qatar Air to fill a building in Manhattan. You do realize this is some of the best real estate in the country right?


The examples you provided underscore exactly what the Saudi's/Qatar got in exchange for giving Trump money. 1. Permission to occupy office space in a Class A+ asset in DT Manhattan for a period of time (the lease). 2. Property Rights to condo in Trump Tower as permitted by US government (foreigners can buy US assets) 3. Equity stake in a hotel 4. World Class developer/development in home country


Now, let's contrast this to Clinton. What hard asset was she selling in exchange for taking the money from the Saudi's?


Anyone with a brain can see that Trump is not doing himself a business favor with this run for POTUS. Likewise, anyone with a brain should understand that foreign governments aren't donating to the Clinton Foundation out of the goodness of their hearts.
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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Why does Clinton need to defend a charitable donation from those countries when we have been connected to both for decades. Did you ever have an issue with the military support we have given to Saudi Arabia.


We have sold Saudi Arabia tanks, aircraft and other weapons yet your issue is their donation to a charity, seriously??
Achtung!

Clinton Foundation Donors Got Weapons Deals From Hillary Clinton's State Department

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us...rity.html?_r=0
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Hate to break it to you but Qatar Air didn't sign a lease in Trump tower back in 2008 so they could get political favors. No, they pay rent to occupy space. If Qatar Air didn't lease the space, another company would have. Trump doesn't need Qatar Air to fill a building in Manhattan. You do realize this is some of the best real estate in the country right?


The examples you provided underscore exactly what the Saudi's/Qatar got in exchange for giving Trump money. 1. Permission to occupy office space in a Class A+ asset in DT Manhattan for a period of time (the lease). 2. Property Rights to condo in Trump Tower as permitted by US government (foreigners can buy US assets) 3. Equity stake in a hotel 4. World Class developer/development in home country


Now, let's contrast this to Clinton. What hard asset was she selling in exchange for taking the money from the Saudi's?


Anyone with a brain can see that Trump is not doing himself a business favor with this run for POTUS. Likewise, anyone with a brain should understand that foreign governments aren't donating to the Clinton Foundation out of the goodness of their hearts.
Well that's a pretty interesting spin on the subject.
The issue is about the OPs claim that the Saudi's fund ISIS and the Clinton Foundation. Well, yes they do contribute to the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Foundation is squeaky clean. And it does appear that there are certain Saudi's, who surreptitiously, funnel some money to ISIS. After all, they're Wahhabis. That's what they do. We knew that back in the fifty's.
Bottom line, I'm much more comfortable with H. Clinton as president whose foundation is separate from her than to have the crème de la crème of the Saudi royal family having a lease agreement with the United States President's rental units. You know Conflict of interest, ISIS funding and all that.
I felt there was an honest contrast between the two candidates on the Saudi Issue.
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:38 PM
 
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Well that's a pretty interesting spin on the subject.
The issue is about the OPs claim that the Saudi's fund ISIS and the Clinton Foundation. Well, yes they do contribute to the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Foundation is squeaky clean. And it does appear that there are certain Saudi's, who surreptitiously, funnel some money to ISIS. After all, they're Wahhabis. That's what they do. We knew that back in the fifty's.
Bottom line, I'm much more comfortable with H. Clinton as president whose foundation is separate from her than to have the crème de la crème of the Saudi royal family having a lease agreement with the United States President's rental units. You know Conflict of interest, ISIS funding and all that.
I felt there was an honest contrast between the two candidates on the Saudi Issue.
There is no conflict of interest with a previously signed lease agreement. The terms are defined at the time the lease is signed (rent and how long it runs). After the lease is over, nobody owes anybody anything. Also, anything that has been sold, well, that deal is done and over. There is no negotiation or $ trade after the fact.

If you are worried that after (if) Trump becomes president that a bunch of political players will try to pay above-market rent in buildings or buy his properties at a premium to gain political favors, well yes, that is something that should actually be discussed on how to monitor this (b/c it certainly can be monitored pretty easily). Now, THAT would be a good debate question. But sadly no, instead we are left talking about who DT kissed 10 years ago and that BC kissed even more.
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:42 PM
 
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Hillary is in bed with ISIS - scary beyond words.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:06 PM
 
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There is no conflict of interest with a previously signed lease agreement. The terms are defined at the time the lease is signed (rent and how long it runs). After the lease is over, nobody owes anybody anything. Also, anything that has been sold, well, that deal is done and over. There is no negotiation or $ trade after the fact.

If you are worried that after (if) Trump becomes president that a bunch of political players will try to pay above-market rent in buildings or buy his properties at a premium to gain political favors, well yes, that is something that should actually be discussed on how to monitor this (b/c it certainly can be monitored pretty easily). Now, THAT would be a good debate question. But sadly no, instead we are left talking about who DT kissed 10 years ago and that BC kissed even more.
Good points and well said.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Well that's a pretty interesting spin on the subject.
The issue is about the OPs claim that the Saudi's fund ISIS and the Clinton Foundation. Well, yes they do contribute to the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Foundation is squeaky clean. And it does appear that there are certain Saudi's, who surreptitiously, funnel some money to ISIS. After all, they're Wahhabis. That's what they do. We knew that back in the fifty's.
Bottom line, I'm much more comfortable with H. Clinton as president whose foundation is separate from her than to have the crème de la crème of the Saudi royal family having a lease agreement with the United States President's rental units. You know Conflict of interest, ISIS funding and all that.
I felt there was an honest contrast between the two candidates on the Saudi Issue.
The issue is about the OPs claim that the Saudi's fund ISIS and the Clinton Foundation. Well, yes they do contribute to the Clinton Foundation

Thanks, thats all you needed to say, the rest is just fluff
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:13 PM
 
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The issue is about the OPs claim that the Saudi's fund ISIS and the Clinton Foundation. Well, yes they do contribute to the Clinton Foundation

Thanks, thats all you needed to say, the rest is just fluff
And the Clinton Foundation is squeaky clean. Nobody can dispute that without going into conspiracy land.

EXCLUSIVE: Donald Trump made millions from Saudi Arabia, but trashes Hillary Clinton for Saudi donations to Clinton Foundation

Donald Trump has blasted Hillary Clinton for accepting money from Saudi Arabia through her foundation, but a Daily News investigation reveals he has padded his bank account with cash from the same country.
Trump sold the 45th floor of Trump World Tower to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for $4.5 million in June 2001, according to a city Finance Department spokeswoman. In 2008, the apartments became part of the Saudi Mission to the United Nations, records show.
The five apartments included 10 bedrooms and 13 bathrooms at the time of the sale, and had yearly common charges of $85,585 for building amenities, documents obtained by The News show. If those common charges remain the same, Trump was paid at least $5.7 million by the Saudi government since 2001.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2777211
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Old 10-13-2016, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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And the Clinton Foundation is squeaky clean. Nobody can dispute that without going into conspiracy land.

EXCLUSIVE: Donald Trump made millions from Saudi Arabia, but trashes Hillary Clinton for Saudi donations to Clinton Foundation

Donald Trump has blasted Hillary Clinton for accepting money from Saudi Arabia through her foundation, but a Daily News investigation reveals he has padded his bank account with cash from the same country.
Trump sold the 45th floor of Trump World Tower to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for $4.5 million in June 2001, according to a city Finance Department spokeswoman. In 2008, the apartments became part of the Saudi Mission to the United Nations, records show.
The five apartments included 10 bedrooms and 13 bathrooms at the time of the sale, and had yearly common charges of $85,585 for building amenities, documents obtained by The News show. If those common charges remain the same, Trump was paid at least $5.7 million by the Saudi government since 2001.


EXCLUSIVE: Donald Trump made millions from Saudi government - NY Daily News
Huh? I had to read it twice to make sure..

Sooo..selling a piece of property in New York is now considered "accepting money" from the Saudis..riiiight.

And we are supposed to believe that is the exact same thing as being given tens of millions of dollars for essentially doing nothing since its considered a "donation"

The SALE of this property was pre 9-11 I might add..

Wow, textbook example of "apples to oranges"
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Old 10-13-2016, 05:56 AM
 
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We have provided arms to Saudi Arabia and other countries for decades.
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