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Old 10-12-2016, 07:11 AM
 
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People want to vote for Hillary for 4 more years of the same things that are happening right now. The bottom line is there's only one thing happening right now.

Obama printing trillions of dollars to generate a false economic recovery. Hillary can do no different. This economic recovery is not real, and at this rate collapse is imminent. You cannot print your way to prosperity.

The only hope is for Trump to lower tax rates, and incentivise American development. The jobs that are lost are never coming back, but you can make it more attractive to create jobs here versus other countries for the future.

We don't need social change, we don't need open borders, we need a businessman that will get everybody employed.
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Old 10-12-2016, 07:31 AM
 
Location: United States
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Let's look at the data, and see just how the average American is doing post recession.


Media wages are down

Median income is down

Median net worth is down

Homeownership is at record lows

Private debt is up

Public debt has doubled under Obama

There are a record number of people receiving food stamps

There are a record number of people on welfare

By every measure the average American is worse off under Obama that they were before the recession.

There has been no recovery for the working Americans.
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Old 10-12-2016, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Let's look at the data, and see just how the average American is doing post recession.


Media wages are down

Median income is down

Median net worth is down

Homeownership is at record lows

Private debt is up

Public debt has doubled under Obama

There are a record number of people receiving food stamps

There are a record number of people on welfare

By every measure the average American is worse off under Obama that they were before the recession.

There has been no recovery for the working Americans.
Hope and Change. Dumb and dumber fell for it.
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:25 AM
 
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Unemployment is way down (5% overall, 3% among college graduates).
Inflation is low.
Gas is cheap.
Stock market doing well.
The deficit was very high in Obama's first few years, due to Bush tax cuts, Bush's wars and the great recession, but the past few years the deficit has come way, way down.
Gov't spending on welfare programs parallel the above, spiking during the recession and coming down since then.


The problem is that most of these benefits have gone to the upper half of Americans, while the lower half has stagnated or declined. But Trump's tax proposals are designed to help the wealthy, so wouldn't that just make this problem worse? It was guys like Trump that led us into the recession in the first place.
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Hillary said she is going to lower welfare payments and social security payments but does not tell the public.

Trump said he would protect SS and Welfare for the poor Trump will get illegals who collect welfare out of here .

Hillary will have to lower payments because of the opened borders and the illegals who get welfare and medical care here.
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Unemployment is way down (5% overall, 3% among college graduates).
Inflation is low.
Gas is cheap.
Stock market doing well.
The deficit was very high in Obama's first few years, due to Bush tax cuts, Bush's wars and the great recession, but the past few years the deficit has come way, way down.
Gov't spending on welfare programs parallel the above, spiking during the recession and coming down since then.


The problem is that most of these benefits have gone to the upper half of Americans, while the lower half has stagnated or declined. But Trump's tax proposals are designed to help the wealthy, so wouldn't that just make this problem worse? It was guys like Trump that led us into the recession in the first place.
Quantitative Easing is fueling the huge bubble in the stock market. The unemployment rate does not include the millions and millions of people who dropped out of the work force or who are now on welfare and foodstamps and off the roles . Many are part time workers .

Gas is going up as production is being cut by Russia and Saudi Arabia.

Obama doubled our national debt.

NJ just put on a new tax at the pump of 23 cents added to each gallon bought at the pump.

Our tax base has shrunk because of less people working, meaning taxes will be put on the workers who are working and on the poor.
Our trade deficit is killing our economy with more jobs leaving the country.
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:42 AM
 
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Unemployment is way down (5% overall, 3% among college graduates).
Inflation is low.
Gas is cheap.
Stock market doing well.
The deficit was very high in Obama's first few years, due to Bush tax cuts, Bush's wars and the great recession, but the past few years the deficit has come way, way down.
Gov't spending on welfare programs parallel the above, spiking during the recession and coming down since then.

The problem is that most of these benefits have gone to the upper half of Americans, while the lower half has stagnated or declined. But Trump's tax proposals are designed to help the wealthy, so wouldn't that just make this problem worse? It was guys like Trump that led us into the recession in the first place.
Wrong on so many issues. Wars stimulate economies, and the Bush tax cuts continue to be in existance, so thats not responsible for the deficit, a bad economy was.

The whole stimulus package, went to the bottom segment, claiming welfare stimulates, gas is still higher than when Obama was sworn, in the stock market is good because bonds and other investments suck, and to even make it more laughable, research Chainsaw Al, and tell me once again how stock prices are an indicate of a fantastic economy.. According to you, firing employees, outourcing, and lowering wages, resulting in higher stock prices, is FANTASTIC
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:36 PM
 
Location: United States
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Unemployment is way down (5% overall, 3% among college graduates).
Inflation is low.
Gas is cheap.
Stock market doing well.
The deficit was very high in Obama's first few years, due to Bush tax cuts, Bush's wars and the great recession, but the past few years the deficit has come way, way down.
Gov't spending on welfare programs parallel the above, spiking during the recession and coming down since then.


The problem is that most of these benefits have gone to the upper half of Americans, while the lower half has stagnated or declined. But Trump's tax proposals are designed to help the wealthy, so wouldn't that just make this problem worse? It was guys like Trump that led us into the recession in the first place.
Trump is proposing a tax cut for everybody.

How is lowering taxes on working Americans going to be bad?
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Old 10-12-2016, 01:41 PM
 
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Unemployment is way down (5% overall, 3% among college graduates).
Inflation is low.
Gas is cheap.
Stock market doing well.
The deficit was very high in Obama's first few years, due to Bush tax cuts, Bush's wars and the great recession, but the past few years the deficit has come way, way down.
Gov't spending on welfare programs parallel the above, spiking during the recession and coming down since then.


The problem is that most of these benefits have gone to the upper half of Americans, while the lower half has stagnated or declined. But Trump's tax proposals are designed to help the wealthy, so wouldn't that just make this problem worse? It was guys like Trump that led us into the recession in the first place.
Bold. Fact remains 5% represents only those still receiving UI benefits. After 26 weeks, with no new job, you are now no longer counted. The stark reality is that the labor participation rate is the lowest in over 40 years. In effect million upon millions of Americans not even looking for work anymore, as it is becoming a lost cause for many.

Food stamps applications have gone up , but now for many it is becoming more difficult to be approved.

How do I know all of this?. I get feedback from countless numbers of newly homeless people in my city of San Francisco. In fact walk through GG park in the city and you will be amazed to find so many homeless encampments like never before. Not even during the recession.

For those of lucky to have work and a place to reside, we can not get too complacent. The amount of educated professional people with no work now or a place to even live is evidence itself of an economic recovery that never happened.
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Old 10-12-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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Op take a look at the suburbs of Washington DC (where federal government employees live). It's a wealthy area and lots of people living there. It's also like 90% democrats. This is where the problem is. Democrats are crooked. They want to tax, tax, tax so they can keep funding their programs to keep themselves in office. They act like they care about poor people, but they only care about getting votes. That's why they are the party of "free stuff" and they use their "free stuff" to keep loyal voters. If the people that are benefiting from these programs could dig themselves out of poverty then they'd be off public assistance and paying taxes and they might realize how badly they are being ripped off and vote for republicans. And government employees get paid a good salary too, so of course they will vote for the party of big government, they want to keep their jobs! Corruption. It's gotten worse under Obama and will continue to get worse if Hillary gets elected.

Obama didn't improve the economy and neither will Hillary.
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