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View Poll Results: Will Trump repeal Citizens United?
Yes 1 5.26%
No 18 94.74%
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Old 10-23-2016, 07:31 AM
 
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Will a President Trump use his negotiation skills to introduce an amendment to overturn Citizens United?
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Old 10-23-2016, 07:36 AM
 
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No. Private citizens can not do that, only a President.
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Old 10-23-2016, 07:41 AM
 
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What is a President Trump?
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Old 10-23-2016, 07:41 AM
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Actually, Congress proposes amendments, not the POTUS.

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... the President does not have a constitutional role in the amendment process
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution
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Old 10-23-2016, 07:44 AM
 
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Actually, Congress proposes amendments, not the POTUS.


https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution
Right......the question is a total fail.
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Old 10-23-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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Will a President Trump use his negotiation skills to introduce an amendment to overturn Citizens United?
First, it is presumptuous that Trump has particularly good negotiating skills. His negotiations with banks left him with high interest debt that even the money generated by casinos couldn't cover the interest costs and drove Trump's casinos into bankruptcy. While he himself claims to be 'the best negotiator' that's hardly factual based on his record. He has often made bad deals.

Second, what would be negotiated? Negotiations are a give and take process. Overturning C.U. through a constitutional amendment not only requires 2/3 of Congress but 3/4 of the states. There is nothing to be "negotiated." Moreover, those in Congress and who are in the state legislatures benefit from C.U. and aren't voting for an amendment.

Third, tactically, the best scenario is another court challenge. I think the SCOTUS knows that it made a mistake and unless there is another GOP appointed justice, will overturn the earlier decision.

Forth, the question is moot. Clinton has 262 reliable electoral votes and needs only 8 more to win. Any one of these states will push her over the top: Georgia (16), Florida (29), Ohio (18), North Carolina (15), Nevada (6), Minnesota (10), Iowa (6) or Arizona (11). Clinton leads marginally in most of those states.

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Old 10-23-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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No. Private citizens can not do that, only a President.
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What is a President Trump?

So you guys are now getting paid to post this crap over and over again in threads? Do you think it helps you guys when you cannot even debate a single issue and just do this crap over and over again?


By they way I would like to know how to get these jobs, I spend too much time on the internet and may as well get paid for crap like this.
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Old 10-23-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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Are you saying that you think trump would ask Congress to consider an amendment to the Constitution to ban PACs from engaging in the political arena? Yeah, ok... good luck with that.

Are you suggesting that a Supreme Court decision can be 'repealed'? ummm... they don't 'repeal' SC decisions. The decision itself, that basically opened the door to all the PACs getting down and dirty with politics? Since it is not a "law", it cannot be "repealed". A new case would have to be brought. Now, if trump were to ask Congress to pass a new law, and Congress actually got up off its dead butt and did so... then a case could be brought, based on the constitutionality issue based on the new law.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-205.pdf

if it is the organization, Citizens United... they are basically one of many lobbying organizations that are based in DC. Good luck trying to 'repeal' an organization.
Who We Are

Citizens United is an organization dedicated to restoring our government to citizens' control. Through a combination of education, advocacy, and grass roots organization, Citizens United seeks to reassert the traditional American values of limited government, freedom of enterprise, strong families, and national sovereignty and security. Citizens United's goal is to restore the founding fathers' vision of a free nation, guided by the honesty, common sense, and good will of its citizens.

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So, ummm... what is the question again?
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Old 10-23-2016, 07:53 AM
 
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What is a President Trump?
something that doesn't exist.. like a leppo. (with thanks to the Libertarian Party)
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Old 10-23-2016, 08:13 AM
 
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First, it is presumptuous that Trump has particularly good negotiating skills. His negotiations with banks left him with high interest debt that even the money generated by casinos couldn't cover the interest costs and drove Trump's casinos into bankruptcy. While he himself claims to be 'the best negotiator' that's hardly factual based on his record. He has often made bad deals.

Second, what would be negotiated? Negotiations are a give and take process. Overturning C.U. through a constitutional amendment not only requires 2/3 of Congress but 3/4 of the states. There is nothing to be "negotiated." Moreover, those in Congress and who are in the state legislatures benefit from C.U. and aren't voting for an amendment.

Third, tactically, the best scenario is another court challenge. I think the SCOTUS knows that it made a mistake and unless there is another GOP appointed justice, will overturn the earlier decision.
Last night I was watching "The Essential Donald Trump" on CNN, which I thought gave a pretty balanced viewpoint of Mr. Trump's past triumphs (which he has certainly had) and failures (ditto). While Mr. Trump refused to be interviewed, his three eldest children did so.

Anyway, one portion dealt with the 'spending spree' Mr. Trump went on, purchasing a yacht and other high-ticket items, all while going into debt due to his three casinos in Atlantic City. At one point he owned money to some 80 banks.

The issue was whether to force Mr. Trump into personal bankruptcy, and foreclose on his expensive stuff. CNN had the attorney on that represented the 80 or so banks (the banks figured better to have one person negotiate, rather than 80).

Said attorney used the rather odd words, to me, that they decided that "Donald Trump was worth more alive than dead", which he repeated several times. He explained that, 'alive' (which I believe meant, 'non-bankrupt'), Mr. Trump could use his undoubted fame to sell the yacht and such at a premium price, rather than have these items go through the bankruptcy/bidding process.

It was an interesting show, and clearly pointed out Mr. Trump's vision for New York City, and the undoubted energy and foresight he had in some of his buildings. Of course, on the negative side, it showed that when he left his wheelhouse (casinos, etc), he lacked expertise, or the willingness to listen to the experts, and so developed financial problems.
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