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Old 02-25-2008, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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Poll after poll have shown Hillary losing to John McCain while the same polls show Obama winning.

Here's a poll released over the weekend from my home state of Washington. It shows Obama beating McCain here 54.9% to 40.3%, meanwhile Clinton actually loses to McCain 48.6% to 45.1%. Remember, Wa. has been a reliable blue state since the Reagan era, so to have a potential Democratic nominee trailing is indicative of the weakness of Hillary's candidacy.

Electability is an issue, Obama can win the general election, such a polarizing figure as Hillary can't.
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Old 02-25-2008, 08:59 AM
 
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One thing that I just don't trust is a poll 9 months before an election. Hillary and Obama have so far been viewed by the public as having very similar stances on issues, while Obama is the new fad. They've shyed away from tough attacks. Through a grueling general election run though, I'm still convinced that Hillary would garner more support in the end as Obama is far more likely to be regarded as the far left fringe candidate who has promised change and reform, but is one of the most reliably partisan votes in the senate that will cause Reublicans to filibuster many issues and a gridlock in Washington ... also hide your wallet and your guns. Very few people actually know anything about him so the imagination is more open to interpretation and being outlined by the other candidate. Also turning down a publicly financed election could hurt him as being a Washington flip-flopper since he gave his word that he wouldn't, unless he can continue to convince people that it's the same as McCain applying for, and then turning down FEC funds in the primary. Hillary couldn't be played off like this as her husband's presidency wasn't known for a disporportionately high tax rate or being bad on arms except for automatic weapons. She has a much more moderate voting record and will have much more luck with a large block of moderate voters that actually decide on issues, a block of voters that will be more likely to go to McCain than Obama. I just see the primary season as a popularity contest and the spoils in November going to the more trustable, moderate candidate.
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:06 AM
 
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Poll after poll have shown Hillary losing to John McCain while the same polls show Obama winning.

Here's a poll released over the weekend from my home state of Washington. It shows Obama beating McCain here 54.9% to 40.3%, meanwhile Clinton actually loses to McCain 48.6% to 45.1%. Remember, Wa. has been a reliable blue state since the Reagan era, so to have a potential Democratic nominee trailing is indicative of the weakness of Hillary's candidacy.

Electability is an issue, Obama can win the general election, such a polarizing figure as Hillary can't.

Right.... trying to convince people to go Obama... yeah....

Well, last time I checked, if polls were right in 2004, John Kerry was to be President. But he is not!
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:18 AM
 
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Nine months ago, I would have said I would have voted for Obama too.

I've since changed my mind because I've learned more about him.
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:22 AM
 
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I think John McCain will beat John McCain !
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Poll after poll have shown Hillary losing to John McCain while the same polls show Obama winning.

Here's a poll released over the weekend from my home state of Washington. It shows Obama beating McCain here 54.9% to 40.3%, meanwhile Clinton actually loses to McCain 48.6% to 45.1%. Remember, Wa. has been a reliable blue state since the Reagan era, so to have a potential Democratic nominee trailing is indicative of the weakness of Hillary's candidacy.

Electability is an issue, Obama can win the general election, such a polarizing figure as Hillary can't.
Hillary Clinton has been a pretty well known figure for a long time now. I don't think she has ever been able to bust the 50% mark in national polls - ever. I don't know what could happen in the next 9 months that would change that. Half the country does not like her and probably never will.

To put such a candidate up on the Democratic side is handicapping the chances of winning the White House right from the start.
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:34 AM
 
Location: On my way to FLA baby !!
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Nine months ago, I would have said I would have voted for Obama too.

I've since changed my mind because I've learned more about him.

I believe as more time goes by and people see this man for what he is about they will be right with you.
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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I think John McCain will beat John McCain !
The Democrats should be focusing on McCain right now. They're letting a golden opportunity pass them by. Coming together would increase support from the base, not fracture it.
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Old 02-25-2008, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Poll after poll have shown Hillary losing to John McCain while the same polls show Obama winning.

Here's a poll released over the weekend from my home state of Washington. It shows Obama beating McCain here 54.9% to 40.3%, meanwhile Clinton actually loses to McCain 48.6% to 45.1%. Remember, Wa. has been a reliable blue state since the Reagan era, so to have a potential Democratic nominee trailing is indicative of the weakness of Hillary's candidacy.

Electability is an issue, Obama can win the general election, such a polarizing figure as Hillary can't.
If the election was held today, then I am sure Obama would win. But in the general election Obama's lack of substance will lose out to McCain. If he campaigns the way he is during the primary he will lose. If he campaigns on his real ideas he will lose because they are too left wing for Americans. One group he will never lose, is the college age, starry eyed, Starbucks baristas.
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Old 02-25-2008, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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If the election was held today, then I am sure Obama would win. But in the general election Obama's lack of substance will lose out to McCain. If he campaigns the way he is during the primary he will lose. If he campaigns on his real ideas he will lose because they are too left wing for Americans. One group he will never lose, is the college age, starry eyed, Starbucks baristas.
This substance thing, I don't get it. What is McCain running on, besides more war? If you want specifics on what each candidate plans to do once elected, you will get vast more from the Obama camp than you will from McCain. If there's ever a candidate who is running on his personality, its McCain. His commitment to his base, the press, has paid off in spaids. So when he gets third place in Iowa, he gets arguably more positive coverage than Huckabee does by winning it.

One other point, its important to remember that the demographic Obama is dominating right now is the same one that went to Reagan in '80 and stayed with him until today. This demo was nearly 50/50 Bush/Gore in 2000. Contrary to popular belief, they aren't a lock for the dems. If they maintain their support for Obama, in the voting numbers they've displayed in the primaries (and began in the 04 election), the GOP may be in trouble for some time.

George W. Bush has really soured most young Americans with the GOP. Obama is the first democrat to really capture them for the Democrats.
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