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Old 11-17-2016, 10:39 AM
 
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At some point Trump will have to abandon Guilaini and Bannon

Maybe the time cannot come soon enough, but its for certain to come. Guilani is definately not the person for Secretary of State, and Bannon is not the person to have a position at that level in an Administration.

There are some elements that have to change. Kelly Ann is a good spinner, who can spin the most absurd things, because that's her role and her game plan. But, at some point, she will have to own up to some of the stuff she is spinning. I'm not saying she will or should be exercised out , but the point is, at some point she is going to have to find a way to not spin things that are ethically, legally borderline, and things that are not in the best interest of the country and its people.

The Right Winger Hard line obsessor's who want to turn American into a 1950's model, is for certain due for a shake up or a turn in ideology. Because this pandering to the the madness of Alt Right is insidious.

The Moderate Minded Republican must speak up, their concern is employment, infrastructure and respectful immigration reforms and better monitoring and management of Borders. Not some mass deportation ignorance, and not some of the other brutal stuff that was within the campaign drama. Only the fringe nut brigade expected some Hitler Like Administration from Trump.

Trump is finding out really quick, that nothing about the Office of Presidency, supports that "crap talk" he did in the campaign, and certainly not all that "drama based crap talk he did for years before he became a candidate, and that includes this silliness of "prosecute Hillary" his cult member following chanted, that stuff was purely campaign drama from the Trump angle, maybe his cult like following believed in such.

Guilaini, has been discovered to have taken money from many foreign nations that should not have been engaged by an American citizen in some 'get paid" program, Time is showing he is himself guilty of the stuff he tried to deflect upon Clinton. he was on a Global Money chase, whether its speaking or engaging some legal work for such groups or places. he probably is more upset that Post being Secretary of State, she could command greater speaking fee than he could. He and his records hae already disqualified himself,he just does not know it yet. His fire brand of "attack mentality" of the middle East is too inflammatory and invites more terrorism, so... he won't make it. If he does he will not last in that role.
Pence can't promote his Obsessive Religious Tone to the people and there has to become a distance with other Religious Fanatics, like Huckabee.

The old pissed off Military Generals from a forgotten time, who think stomping in with guns blazing as their idea of a Cowboy Era Mentality, need to wake up, and learn or they should have learned, America can't fix anything in the Middle East with Bullets and Bombs. They should have learned that long ago with the Vietnam Era mis conception that weaponry would win something in those places.

The old John Wayne and other 1950's and 1960;s TV Character Fictional Imagery, and the likes of the 1940's and 1950's movies of White Men stomping around the world, is best left in the fiction of the 1940's and 1950's.

Trump set himself up for a mass of stuff with all that "fire breather talk" for some hard times and big challenges. Because you can't just "flip the script of a nations" as if one is a dictator.

Again, he needs to check the people around him and re-assess their mentality and demeanor, because campaigning in one things, and Presiding as President is TOTALLY Different.

All the hard luck twisted minded Right Wingers who think they get to repeat the vile history of the past, need to awaken. There is no revival of some White Dominance. Already some are talking like they are flat out nuts and as if they are in some Pre-Civil Rights Deep Southern Backwards System.

Many American, don't so much care about effort to support building Relations with Russia, but they do care that American does not submit itself to any adoption of Russia's Corruption nor of its Ideals of Dictatorship.
We learned from the Relation with China, that A Democracy cane even have a good working Relationship with Communist China, therefore it can have a working relations with Autocratic Russia. Putin, has to know that does not mean there will be any support of him encroaching on anyone, nor does it mean he can disrespect NATO of any NATO Affiliate.

The U.S. will be forced to wake up when it comes to African Continent, because when it realize that China has made very good relations within Africa, American will have to develop are more interactively mutual benefit relations with Africa on a Mutual Respect Level, and not one that has a downward look upon Africa. That's an element that Republican have not considered with seriousness to consider, but they will soon have to drop the International Racial Based Imbalance within its Considerations, and deal with Africa's Continent with a mutual respect and sense of cultural and humane basis of equality.
Therefore,...... Get ready..... to let go of the delusions of some return to a 1950's system......

Last edited by Chance and Change; 11-17-2016 at 11:34 AM..

 
Old 11-17-2016, 10:42 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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Back to long post again?
 
Old 11-17-2016, 10:58 AM
 
Location: United States
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
At some point Trump will have to abandon Guilaini and Bannon

Maybe the time cannot come soon enough, but its for certain to come. Guilani is definately not the person for Secretary of State, and Bannon is not the person to have a position at that level in an Administration.

There are some elements that have to change. Kelly Ann is a good spinner, who can spin the most absurd things, because that's her role and her game plan. But, at some point, she will have to own up to some of the stuff she is spinning. I'm not saying she will or should be exercised out , but the point is, at some point she is going to have to find a way to not spin things that are ethically, legally borderline, and things that are not in the best interest of the country and its people.

The Right Winger Hard line obsessor's who want to turn American into a 1950's model, is for certain due for a shake up or a turn in ideology. Because this pandering to the the madness of Alt Right is insidious.

The Moderate Minded Republican must speak up, their concern is employment, infrastructure and respectful immigration reforms and better monitoring and management of Borders. Not some mass deportation ignorance, and not some of the other brutal stuff that was within the campaign drama. Only the fringe nut brigade expected some Hitler Like Administration from Trump.

Trump is finding out really quick, that nothing about the Office of Presidency, supports that "crap talk" he did in the campaign, and that includes this silliness of "prosecute Hillary", that stuff was purely campaign drama.

Guilaini, has been discovered to have taken money from many foreign nations that should not have been engaged by an American citizen in some 'get paid" program, whether its speaking or engaging some legal work for such groups or places. He is already disqualified himself. His fire brand of "attack mentality" of the middle East is too inflammatory and invites more terrorism, so... he won't make it. If he does he will not last in that role.
Pence can't promote his Obsessive Religious Tone to the people and there has to become a distance with other Religious Fanatics, like Huckabee.

The old pissed off Military Generals from a forgotten time, who think stomping in with guns blazing as their idea of a Cowboy Era Mentality, need to wake up, and learn or they should have learned, America can't fix anything in the Middle East with Bullets and Bombs. They should have learned that long ago with the Vietnam Era mis conception that weaponry would win something in those places.

The old John Wayne and other 1950's and 1960;s TV Character Fictional Imagery, and the likes of the 1940's and 1950's movies of White Men stomping around the world, is best left in the fiction of the 1940's and 1950's.

Trump set himself up for a mass of stuff with all that "fire breather talk" for some hard times and big challenges. Because you can't just "flip the script of a nations" as if one is a dictator.

Again, he needs to check the people around him and re-assess their mentality and demeanor, because campaigning in one things, and Presiding as President is TOTALLY Different.

All the hard luck twisted minded Right Wingers who think they get to repeat the vile history of the past, need to awaken. There is no revival of some White Dominance. Already some are talking like they are flat out nuts and as if they are in some Pre-Civil Rights Deep Southern Backwards System.

Many American, don't so much care about effort to support building Relations with Russia, but they do care that American does not submit itself to any adoption of Russia's Corruption nor of its Ideals of Dictatorship.
We learned from the Relation with China, that A Democracy can have a working Relationship with Community China, therefore it can have a relations with Autocratic Russia.

Trump will be the next president, your opinion doesn't get factored into the decisions that will determine the direction the country will be going in the next four years.
 
Old 11-17-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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Trump will be the next president, your opinion doesn't get factored into the decisions that will determine the direction the country will be going in the next four years.
If you have no sense of perspectives that's your choice.

In this life, one has the choice to or not to, Give attention to Domestic and Global Politic's and gain or develop a perspective be able to see beyond being a blind follower with no concept or idea of what is within the mix of it all.

You can comment as to your ideas of what you think or not; as I will continue to comment on my ideas of what I think.
We each know, we are not in the seat of the Presidency.

Last edited by Chance and Change; 11-17-2016 at 11:28 AM..
 
Old 11-17-2016, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Two words. Valerie Jarrett. (let alone Huma Abedin).

If either of those two can be close to a president in a position of authority, no one Trump can name should be subject to criticism.
 
Old 11-17-2016, 11:25 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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More liberal predictions. We know how accurate those are.
 
Old 11-17-2016, 12:08 PM
 
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back to long post again?
lol
 
Old 11-17-2016, 12:31 PM
 
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Rudy seems to be at odds with President-Elect Trumps views. How could he possibly be AG with such tolerant views on illegal immigration?

"The city of New York, quite frankly, is quite tolerant of undocumented immigration and this shouldn't surprise you because I've been the mayor for a long time and outspoken on this issue, even nationally, I happen to agree with that."

"I think New York City should not deal with undocumented immigrants in a harsh way. I think they make a big contribution to the life of the city and were much better off being sensible and practical about it," he continued. "And the reality is that restaurants are going to have a certain number of people who are undocumented, you know people that come here to make a living trying to help themselves and their families."
 
Old 11-17-2016, 03:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
At some point Trump will have to abandon Guilaini and Bannon

Maybe the time cannot come soon enough, but its for certain to come. Guilani is definately not the person for Secretary of State, and Bannon is not the person to have a position at that level in an Administration.

There are some elements that have to change. Kelly Ann is a good spinner, who can spin the most absurd things, because that's her role and her game plan. But, at some point, she will have to own up to some of the stuff she is spinning. I'm not saying she will or should be exercised out , but the point is, at some point she is going to have to find a way to not spin things that are ethically, legally borderline, and things that are not in the best interest of the country and its people.

The Right Winger Hard line obsessor's who want to turn American into a 1950's model, is for certain due for a shake up or a turn in ideology. Because this pandering to the the madness of Alt Right is insidious.

The Moderate Minded Republican must speak up, their concern is employment, infrastructure and respectful immigration reforms and better monitoring and management of Borders. Not some mass deportation ignorance, and not some of the other brutal stuff that was within the campaign drama. Only the fringe nut brigade expected some Hitler Like Administration from Trump.

Trump is finding out really quick, that nothing about the Office of Presidency, supports that "crap talk" he did in the campaign, and certainly not all that "drama based crap talk he did for years before he became a candidate, and that includes this silliness of "prosecute Hillary" his cult member following chanted, that stuff was purely campaign drama from the Trump angle, maybe his cult like following believed in such.

Guilaini, has been discovered to have taken money from many foreign nations that should not have been engaged by an American citizen in some 'get paid" program, Time is showing he is himself guilty of the stuff he tried to deflect upon Clinton. he was on a Global Money chase, whether its speaking or engaging some legal work for such groups or places. he probably is more upset that Post being Secretary of State, she could command greater speaking fee than he could. He and his records hae already disqualified himself,he just does not know it yet. His fire brand of "attack mentality" of the middle East is too inflammatory and invites more terrorism, so... he won't make it. If he does he will not last in that role.
Pence can't promote his Obsessive Religious Tone to the people and there has to become a distance with other Religious Fanatics, like Huckabee.

The old pissed off Military Generals from a forgotten time, who think stomping in with guns blazing as their idea of a Cowboy Era Mentality, need to wake up, and learn or they should have learned, America can't fix anything in the Middle East with Bullets and Bombs. They should have learned that long ago with the Vietnam Era mis conception that weaponry would win something in those places.

The old John Wayne and other 1950's and 1960;s TV Character Fictional Imagery, and the likes of the 1940's and 1950's movies of White Men stomping around the world, is best left in the fiction of the 1940's and 1950's.

Trump set himself up for a mass of stuff with all that "fire breather talk" for some hard times and big challenges. Because you can't just "flip the script of a nations" as if one is a dictator.

Again, he needs to check the people around him and re-assess their mentality and demeanor, because campaigning in one things, and Presiding as President is TOTALLY Different.

All the hard luck twisted minded Right Wingers who think they get to repeat the vile history of the past, need to awaken. There is no revival of some White Dominance. Already some are talking like they are flat out nuts and as if they are in some Pre-Civil Rights Deep Southern Backwards System.

Many American, don't so much care about effort to support building Relations with Russia, but they do care that American does not submit itself to any adoption of Russia's Corruption nor of its Ideals of Dictatorship.
We learned from the Relation with China, that A Democracy cane even have a good working Relationship with Communist China, therefore it can have a working relations with Autocratic Russia. Putin, has to know that does not mean there will be any support of him encroaching on anyone, nor does it mean he can disrespect NATO of any NATO Affiliate.

The U.S. will be forced to wake up when it comes to African Continent, because when it realize that China has made very good relations within Africa, American will have to develop are more interactively mutual benefit relations with Africa on a Mutual Respect Level, and not one that has a downward look upon Africa. That's an element that Republican have not considered with seriousness to consider, but they will soon have to drop the International Racial Based Imbalance within its Considerations, and deal with Africa's Continent with a mutual respect and sense of cultural and humane basis of equality.
Therefore,...... Get ready..... to let go of the delusions of some return to a 1950's system......
Fyi, you have a point about Chinese involvement in Africa. While the US is engaged in Wars in the Middle East, China is busy eyeing up the goods in African continent to take home.

I feel you have some interesting and debatable points , just need to parse and chisel it more to keep everyone's attention on the topic at hand.
 
Old 11-17-2016, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
At some point Trump will have to abandon Guilaini and Bannon

Maybe the time cannot come soon enough, but its for certain to come. Guilani is definately not the person for Secretary of State, and Bannon is not the person to have a position at that level in an Administration.

There are some elements that have to change. Kelly Ann is a good spinner, who can spin the most absurd things, because that's her role and her game plan. But, at some point, she will have to own up to some of the stuff she is spinning. I'm not saying she will or should be exercised out , but the point is, at some point she is going to have to find a way to not spin things that are ethically, legally borderline, and things that are not in the best interest of the country and its people.

The Right Winger Hard line obsessor's who want to turn American into a 1950's model, is for certain due for a shake up or a turn in ideology. Because this pandering to the the madness of Alt Right is insidious.

The Moderate Minded Republican must speak up, their concern is employment, infrastructure and respectful immigration reforms and better monitoring and management of Borders. Not some mass deportation ignorance, and not some of the other brutal stuff that was within the campaign drama. Only the fringe nut brigade expected some Hitler Like Administration from Trump.

Trump is finding out really quick, that nothing about the Office of Presidency, supports that "crap talk" he did in the campaign, and certainly not all that "drama based crap talk he did for years before he became a candidate, and that includes this silliness of "prosecute Hillary" his cult member following chanted, that stuff was purely campaign drama from the Trump angle, maybe his cult like following believed in such.


Guilaini, has been discovered to have taken money from many foreign nations that should not have been engaged by an American citizen in some 'get paid" program, Time is showing he is himself guilty of the stuff he tried to deflect upon Clinton. he was on a Global Money chase, whether its speaking or engaging some legal work for such groups or places. he probably is more upset that Post being Secretary of State, she could command greater speaking fee than he could. He and his records hae already disqualified himself,he just does not know it yet. His fire brand of "attack mentality" of the middle East is too inflammatory and invites more terrorism, so... he won't make it. If he does he will not last in that role.
Pence can't promote his Obsessive Religious Tone to the people and there has to become a distance with other Religious Fanatics, like Huckabee.

The old pissed off Military Generals from a forgotten time, who think stomping in with guns blazing as their idea of a Cowboy Era Mentality, need to wake up, and learn or they should have learned, America can't fix anything in the Middle East with Bullets and Bombs. They should have learned that long ago with the Vietnam Era mis conception that weaponry would win something in those places.

The old John Wayne and other 1950's and 1960;s TV Character Fictional Imagery, and the likes of the 1940's and 1950's movies of White Men stomping around the world, is best left in the fiction of the 1940's and 1950's.

Trump set himself up for a mass of stuff with all that "fire breather talk" for some hard times and big challenges. Because you can't just "flip the script of a nations" as if one is a dictator.

Again, he needs to check the people around him and re-assess their mentality and demeanor, because campaigning in one things, and Presiding as President is TOTALLY Different.

All the hard luck twisted minded Right Wingers who think they get to repeat the vile history of the past, need to awaken. There is no revival of some White Dominance. Already some are talking like they are flat out nuts and as if they are in some Pre-Civil Rights Deep Southern Backwards System.

Many American, don't so much care about effort to support building Relations with Russia, but they do care that American does not submit itself to any adoption of Russia's Corruption nor of its Ideals of Dictatorship.
We learned from the Relation with China, that A Democracy cane even have a good working Relationship with Communist China, therefore it can have a working relations with Autocratic Russia. Putin, has to know that does not mean there will be any support of him encroaching on anyone, nor does it mean he can disrespect NATO of any NATO Affiliate.

The U.S. will be forced to wake up when it comes to African Continent, because when it realize that China has made very good relations within Africa, American will have to develop are more interactively mutual benefit relations with Africa on a Mutual Respect Level, and not one that has a downward look upon Africa. That's an element that Republican have not considered with seriousness to consider, but they will soon have to drop the International Racial Based Imbalance within its Considerations, and deal with Africa's Continent with a mutual respect and sense of cultural and humane basis of equality.
Therefore,...... Get ready..... to let go of the delusions of some return to a 1950's system......
They won't last. At heart, the narcissistic insecure Trump just wants to accepted. He will gravitate (or shall we say 'pivot') to the establishment, of course. He's doing just that now. Mitt Romney? Lol. Good luck alt-right--back to whence they came. Ha ha--drain the swamp? He loves the swamp.
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