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While I really want Hillary supporters to get behind Obama so that we can beat McCain, I think I really have a problem with this.
I agree with this:
At an Obama-run blog
for supporters, a number of contributors have argued that any effort to help Clinton pay off bills would be insupportable.
"The read-between-the-lines statement that I am hearing is that he would be expected to use his campaign clout (which as far as I am concerned, means his ethics and integrity) to attach her debt consolidation efforts to his future fundraising efforts. Which means he WOULD be taking money from lobbyists - big time!!!!" wrote "TH" of California. "So yes, while he may not be selling us out by giving away our hard earned money directly to her, Obama would be selling out by using his new political clout to help pay off her debts. Memo to OBAMA: You do not need to sell one ounce of your soul to gain this nomination. NOT THIS TIME! Remember? NOT THIS TIME!!!"
"Ken" from Wagoner, Okla., wrote: "I am also reading Sen. Obama is considering Hillary for his VICE !!! I am wondering what has happened to Sen. Obama, has he gone BONKERS? I pray he has nothing to do with the Clinton's or their financial problems !!!"
There is deep animosity towards Clinton in the Obama camp, where many believe she has raised issues of race and 'elitism' that will hurt the Illinois Senator in November.
How would YOU feel if your candidate paid the losers debt off with your money?
If you are a Hillary fan, do you think she should take Obamas offer? And if so, does this change the way you would vote?
I don't know quite what to think as I have a problem with how excessive Obama's campaign spending as been. Several presidential elections ago, I thought there was a movement towards spending less on campaigns as a way to make entering the political arena more affordable to someone that wasn't backed by big money. And this election year, Obama has been outspending Hillary several times over. He's part of the reason that she's had to go into so much debt imo.
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Originally Posted by Cleanmaxx Brian
There is deep animosity towards Clinton in the Obama camp, where many believe she has raised issues of race and 'elitism' that will hurt the Illinois Senator in November.
^^^ But about this statement, I feel that Obama's supporters have waved around the race card so very very much more than anyone on Hillary's behalf. As to elitism, I feel that Obama's camp has been equally if not more so playing that card also. Plus he is a Columbia University/Harvard Law School grad himself and went to a private prep school for his high school years. Imo that's a very elitist background and just as impressive as Hillary's Wellesley/Yale Law School background. Otherwise, I feel that Obama, Hillary and Bill all come from common stock originally. Obama's claiming small town Kansas roots, she's got her dad being in the textile industry and her mom a homemaker, and Bill's got his Arkansas roots and his dad being a traveling salesman and his mom being a nurse. The key to all three's successes and achievements is applying themselves in their schoolwork.
As to entitlement, I feel that Obama's black supporters feel that blacks are entitled to having a black president. Like they are owed this as some part of a reparations package. And they also play on white guilt over slavery too.
I don't know quite what to think as I have a problem with how excessive Obama's campaign spending as been. Several presidential elections ago, I thought there was a movement towards spending less on campaigns as a way to make entering the political arena more affordable to someone that wasn't backed by big money. And this election year, Obama has been outspending Hillary several times over. He's part of the reason that she's had to go into so much debt imo.
^^^ But about this statement, I feel that Obama's supporters have waved around the race card so very very much more than anyone on Hillary's behalf. As to elitism, I feel that Obama's camp has been equally if not more so playing that card also. Plus he is a Columbia University/Harvard Law School grad himself and went to a private prep school for his high school years. Imo that's a very elitist background and just as impressive as Hillary's Wellesley/Yale Law School background. Otherwise, I feel that Obama, Hillary and Bill all come from common stock originally. Obama's claiming small town Kansas roots, she's got her dad being in the textile industry and her mom a homemaker, and Bill's got his Arkansas roots and his dad being a traveling salesman and his mom being a nurse. The key to all three's successes and achievements is applying themselves in their schoolwork.
As to entitlement, I feel that Obama's black supporters feel that blacks are entitled to having a black president. Like they are owed this as some part of a reparations package. And they also play on white guilt over slavery too.
Here is how I look at Obama's spending... If the money came out of his pocket, I would agree that it would not be fair to Hillary. You (meaning the candidate) should not be able to "buy" an election. However what Obama has done is truly remarkable...we the supporters of him gave him all that money! He had OVER 1.5 million individual doners as of a few days ago! You have to admit, that's pretty amazing. The average donation I think was under $100 bucks!
As for the race card, well maybe they both used it. It is very hard not to when you have a black man running against a white women and their are racist people in the world (Look on these message boards!)
As for the elitism, this is where I am going to have to disagree with you on big time. For starters, Hillary and Bill made over 100 million and she never pumps her own gas? Now I am not saying she is an elitist but what I am saying is she should not call someone else one when they are not.
That brings up the topic that started this...clinging to guns and religion when people are bitter...Hillary rode that one hard! Here is what the media didn't tell you...
Obama has been using this talking point for a LONG time...he just botched the words in SF. How do "I" know he botched them??? If you watch this video from 2004, you will see the whole bitter thing in a different light! Please notice he talks about the fustrations, guns, and religion...
"As to entitlement, I feel that Obama's black supporters feel that blacks are entitled to having a black president. Like they are owed this as some part of a reparations package. And they also play on white guilt over slavery too."
Miu,
You know, I've seen your posts a lot on City Data and you always have something negative about Black people. Why all the attack on us? However, this statement has to be the most offensive of them all. I have no problem with the fact that you don't like "us". My skin is thick, but you do not have to sink to the level of bringing slavery into the conversation in order to make your point. On several posts, you are always saying how we (black folks) are always playing the race card but you've played it on every single post I've read from you. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I have an idea, if you are such a Hillary supporter why not outline why you think she's the better candidate. BTW, we are only 12% of the population of this country, do you really think that having the Black support has gotten him to where he is? What about the others who're voting for him. Do they feel entitled to have a Black president? Do they want reparations from slavery? MOD CUT
As for the elitism, this is where I am going to have to disagree with you on big time. For starters, Hillary and Bill made over 100 million and she never pumps her own gas? Now I am not saying she is an elitist but what I am saying is she should not call someone else one when they are not.
The bulk of Bill and Hillary's money came after Bill's presidency and he was paid to make speeches. They both wrote books. Somewhere I thought I already posted an article about how lucrative the money is for retired POTUS. Giving speeches is big money.
And Obama got big hits in income from the books he wrote.
Deval Patrick, the MA governor and Obama's friend was criticized recently because the day that his casino bill was being voted on in the MA state legislature, he was down in NYC shopping for a book deal for his autobiography.
As to pumping gas, while I prefer to self service stations, most adults I know prefer full serve stations. In addition, some states like NJ and Delaware have mandatory full service gas stations only. It is illegal to pump your own gas in those states.
"As to entitlement, I feel that Obama's black supporters feel that blacks are entitled to having a black president. Like they are owed this as some part of a reparations package. And they also play on white guilt over slavery too."
Miu,
You know, I've seen your posts a lot on City Data and you always have something negative about Black people. Why all the attack on us? However, this statement has to be the most offensive of them all. I have no problem with the fact that you don't like "us". My skin is thick, but you do not have to sink to the level of bringing slavery into the conversation in order to make your point. On several posts, you are always saying how we (black folks) are always playing the race card but you've played it on every single post I've read from you. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I have an idea, if you are such a Hillary supporter why not outline why you think she's the better candidate. BTW, we are only 12% of the population of this country, do you really think that having the Black support has gotten him to where he is? What about the others who're voting for him. Do they feel entitled to have a Black president? Do they want reparations from slavery? MOD CUT
I ask you to read all of my posts and don't just pick out the ones that happen to offend you.
For instance, in the Relationship section, I (and many other women) have a problem with the many threads made by male posters regarding trends of interracial relationships and how these days more black men are dating white women or insert any other race's women. It's very demeaning to us women. What I object to is anyone who makes some blanket statement stereotyping how amazing any one race is as dating material or how their race is better than another's race in the dating game.
Also, I take issue with those who post how beautiful or hot mixed race people are. First, most people are of mixed race or mixed cultural backgrounds. But again, in reality while some are very good looking, some mixed race people are average or plain looking and still others are downright ugly. Just like humans everywhere...
As to any other posts about slavery, I am only responding to what has been posted before me. And it's also because with every thread, the same posters post in, so each new thread has a history from the previously made threads. I don't believe in being unrealistically positive about some generalized group, and I don't feel especially pessimistic either. I just want everyone to have a more realistic and honest view of the situation being discussed. And many times, I have also pointed out the faults in the various Asian cultures and countries. With any group or demographic, there are good people and bad. People are just people.
BTW here is the stickied thread in Relationships regarding the interracial threads I was referring to. Those threads really bother a lot of women. I think that guys think differently than women it's best if you keep that sort of talk in the locker room or just between other guys.
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