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Old 05-17-2008, 08:35 AM
 
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If you need any additional reasons not to vote for Obama then I suggest that you check out theobamafile.com and do a little reading. There is more than enough material there to keep you busy for awhile.
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Old 05-17-2008, 08:37 AM
 
Location: ABQ
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I actually think change will occur no matter which candidate is elected. I don't buy into the Dem party line that McCain is running for a 3rd Bush term. Change for change sake is not necessarily a good thing.
As a scholar of middle eastern history and current events and whom also speaks Lebanese, Egyptian, Jordanian, and Palestinian dialects of Arabic, I find I am most interested in the United States' interest in foreign policy in the middle east as the misunderstandings governing our imperialism therein has had such a poor effect back in our home country. From the overextending of the military to the transform of the greatest surplus in American history to the largest deficit in American history, to the lack of health insurance for citizens, to the threats of another war in Tehran -- I desire a president with a cabinet who understands foreign policy in the middle east.

The only place I will disagree with you is McCain, whom is self-proclaimed war-minded, has gone above and beyond the Bush 3rd term on foreign policy -- his notions of terrorism are just as McCarthy as Bush's and his cabinets. The only place I am hopeful for McCain is that he may be sucking up the CR just in hopes of this nomination and that he's not actually this dense. But alas, I didn't think Bush would be this dreadful either.

That being said, Hillary isn't the answer for me either. She has poor foreign policy ideals regarding the middle east, voting that the Iranian and Pakistanian governments were terrorist organizations. She would just as soon have us in Tehran, forgetting that it was Churchill and Eisenhower who originally removed Iran's democratic, isolationist president, Mohammed Mossadegh and put in power one of the more brutal dictator's in modern middle eastern history. [I don't think I need to explain why]

The only two candidates who have any sort of knowledge of, and ability to mold a different type of middle eastern FP is: Ron Paul and Barack Obama. Though they are much different socially, these are the only two candidates I'd intend on voting for. It has to be Obama for me, who seems to simply GET IT.

Talks in Tehran is just what the Iranian government has been begging for since 1953. Before anyone condemns talks and economic balances for Tehran, maybe one would be best studying British economic dominance over Iran since 1890 and as well, Eisenhower's assistance in the coup of Mossadegh in 1953. Anything else would simply be a horrific mis-judgement on your part, or simply a habit of listening to far too much Limbaugh and/or O'Reilly.

I don't see any candidate being the self-proclaimed savior -- it's more a problem with the country than the individual -- but the lesser of the evils for me, is Obama, who was certainly the most impressive of all the candidates in live speaches -- but again, most importantly, has the sense of history and idealism that I seek in my foreign policy. [Sorry for the lengthy response, feel free to PM me if you have any questions]
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Old 05-17-2008, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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So it's politics as usual for you?
Can anybody give me an example of Obama's ability to work with the other party?

His record is clear. He is the most liberal democrat in the senate and votes the party line overwhelmingly.

He is the same old liberal, just packaged differently.

And, he has latched on to the country's angst and desire for "change" as his campaign slogan.

That's all.
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Old 05-17-2008, 09:01 AM
 
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Millions of Exxon Mobil stock holders are dependent on the status quo. Many of us are retired and need the current level of profitability to continue to help us sustain our level of prosperity. We need your support, think of us not a leeches but rather as your parents and grandparents.
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Old 05-17-2008, 09:23 AM
 
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Millions of Exxon Mobil stock holders are dependent on the status quo. Many of us are retired and need the current level of profitability to continue to help us sustain our level of prosperity. We need your support, think of us not a leeches but rather as your parents and grandparents.
If calm in the mideast depressed our oil investments we could go long POT and MON. (Although congratulations and I dont blame you, if you've been holding XOM since 2000 or so
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Old 05-17-2008, 09:37 AM
 
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How about if you have held it since the 1970's?
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Old 05-17-2008, 10:18 AM
 
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How about if you have held it since the 1970's?
Take me to Vegas, baby
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Old 05-17-2008, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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Yes, You. The art of politics is to misdirect the attention of the governed. Stay focused. Enjoy your sports programs, soap operas, and sitcoms, but watch what they heck they are doing in our government. Individualism founded the strength of this country, excessive government (nanny state governing) has weakened it. Obahma, Hillary anf Mc Cain are interested in power, not us. Take back your freedome. Vote to stop excessive taxation, against revitalizing the SS system, against government health care and gun control.
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Old 05-17-2008, 11:02 AM
 
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I get so sick of idots saying "if you do not vote for Obama"
you are scared of change, good grief
I am self-employed for the last 20 years, if I were scared of change I would have hung it up long ago.
I am not voting for Obama because:
I DO NOT LIKE NOR TRUST HIM
he flips all the time
I don't like his friends nor his church or his stupid pastor
I can not stand his wife
I do not like most of his supporters
I don't like his speeches or the way his says country
if you want to vote for him
be my guest, but I will not
why would I vote for someone I think will be a lousy president??
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Old 05-17-2008, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Tolland County- Northeastern CT
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I get so sick of idots saying "if you do not vote for Obama"
you are scared of change, good grief
I am self-employed for the last 20 years, if I were scared of change I would have hung it up long ago.
I am not voting for Obama because:
I DO NOT LIKE NOR TRUST HIM
he flips all the time
I don't like his friends nor his church or his stupid pastor
I can not stand his wife
I do not like most of his supporters
I don't like his speeches or the way his says country
if you want to vote for him
be my guest, but I will not
why would I vote for someone I think will be a lousy president??
you have had lousy Presidents the last 30 years
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