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Old 07-09-2008, 06:12 PM
 
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I just have to ask, are you aware of this regions history? Do you really have so little understanding that you think anything is ever going to change there?? In this whole process the US has become what we set out to destroy.
Same could be said of Germany (and the area that was Germany before being called that). Things seem to have simmered down there a bit since 1945.

Crack a history book, it can be your friend.
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I have to ask, are you not aware of the changes that have occured in this region, regardless of the history?

Libya, for example. They gave up their nuclear ambitions and material.

Jordan and Egypt; Are they at peace with Israel?

Kuwait, Bahrain, Quatar, UAE; No problems here.

There are a few bad apples, namely Iran and Syria and Iraq. Thanks to "W", Iraq is no more of a threat to the US or it's neighbors. That's a really GOOD thing. Can you look at the big picture and see how this region is changing?
People still stuck to nation states when terrorism knows no boundaries.

So while our allies such as Saudi and Egypt and Jordan are acting nice, their citizens are still the biggest threat to American citizens.

9/11 all Saudis.

Iraq most suicide bombers Saudis, Egytpians, Libyans, Tunisians, Moroccans.

Radical Islamic Terrorism being taught in schools all over these countries today.

Afgahinistan and Pakistan about to be turned into civil war and anarchy due to radical elements. They are our "Allies". And Pakistan has Nukes.

And people are all geared up now about Iran. Iranians LIKE us.
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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And they are cracking down on those terrorists as well. In fact just recently the Saudi's arrested a bunch of them. The Saudi government knows they are a target as we.

You act like these conflicts have a set point in time when they should end. This is not a conventional war, far from it. And I do believe "W" has stated many, many times it will take a long time to rein in these radicals.

People that hide in caves and villages and plot and plan in the shadows of society are not so easy to find.
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The US is chasing their tail in Iraq and saddly the people who NEED to believe this entire fiasco is a good thing, can't read or they would know this region has always been fighting and will continue to do so.
Yes, they hate each other even more than their supposed hatred of the US.

Not if they have as their citizens people who are properous, happy and enjoy freedom. People like that don't strap on homicide belts.

Of course, I suppose there will always be some crazies to do that.
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:25 PM
 
Location: S.Florida
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Iraq is bit more stable now less violence but this is why-

The groups that are at war are being paid huge sums of money not to fight yet now and than they do but as a while the money is working bad thing is they are buying an insane amt of Russian weapons for when they do fight and they will in time as they truly HATE each other

The police there are corrupt,ineffective so gangs,street thugs,etc are being paid to keep trouble makers ,people who speak out against us might start uprising silent ANY WAY they want to.

So Yes its more stable,less violence but its a fake its an illusion which is going to end.

Our soldiers are taking less risks .

Ask ANY infantry soldier or MP Army or Marine who has returned from there . Even the Army cooks over there will tell you about the pay offs in huge money going on to keep the "peace" lol its no secret and yet our own media is incapable of atleast investigating it.

The next Pres unless he keeps up same thing will walk into a war with better armed "insurgents"
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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And they are cracking down on those terrorists as well. In fact just recently the Saudi's arrested a bunch of them. The Saudi government knows they are a target as we.

You act like these conflicts have a set point in time when they should end. This is not a conventional war, far from it. And I do believe "W" has stated many, many times it will take a long time to rein in these radicals.

People that hide in caves and villages and plot and plan in the shadows of society are not so easy to find.

First off, research how many terrorist schools have been springing up in Saudi recently and get back to us. It is blowing up over there.

No, I realize the same thing as anti-terrorism experts around the world. You can't fight terrorism with a conventional army. You have to win the hearts and minds of the people. You have to use intelligence and financial expertise and special forces to detect, isolate and eliminate terrorist cells while also working to get the masses on your side. Similar to what General Petreaus id finally doing in Iraq.

Invading 1 nation with our entire army, camping out for 6 years and calling it "The War on Terror" is simplistic and foolish, not to mention costly and destructive.
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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What has been going on in Iraq is a complete and utter disaster. The US has become nothing better then what they sought to fight in the beginning.
This is nothing more than what the rev. wrights and the left-wing nuts of the world froth about.

So basically she is saying the US is a terrorist organization.

Many on the left and those that despise America think that, as well as the nut in Iran, the crazy in Venezuela, UBL, the traitors in Hollywood and their allies in the democrat party. You are in good company.
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:29 PM
 
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Until people here grasp the geo-politics of the region, the communal civil war, the fallacies of PNAC, the war profiteering, instability to the country, region, and your local gas station... until you grasp that Afghanistan is worse than it was in 2001 and that invading Iraq created another Shia state, turning an enemy of Iran into a friend.... please stop saying that "we are winning the war"

Nothing has been right about this process from the beginning. It would be great if there were simple solutions to the mess created by Bush and supported by McCain and like-minded children, but reality is a lot more complicated and the actions of these and others in the GOP have created such a disaster that we will spend years cleaning it up and also years regaining what we lost in Afghanistan.
That you think you know more about this asymmetric war than those in the administration is interesting, to say the least.

This war can be won and our enemy can be defeated. It is indeed complex. I am sure that Mr. Obama, with his vast international experience of being a 4th grader living in Indonesia and shouldering the huge responsibility of performing community organizer duties in Chicago, agrees with your assessment... and is looking forward to a plan of apeasement to end all conflicts with the evil, radical Islamofscists.

Mr. McCain, on the other hand is a man with real knowledge and experience with these complexities.

Honestly...who do you think our enemies, Al Qaeda, N. Korean, Iran want to win? Hint: Not McCain.
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Iraq is bit more stable now less violence but this is why-

The groups that are at war are being paid huge sums of money not to fight yet now and than they do but as a while the money is working bad thing is they are buying an insane amt of Russian weapons for when they do fight and they will in time as they truly HATE each other

The police there are corrupt,ineffective so gangs,street thugs,etc are being paid to keep trouble makers ,people who speak out against us might start uprising silent ANY WAY they want to.

So Yes its more stable,less violence but its a fake its an illusion which is going to end.

Our soldiers are taking less risks .

Ask ANY infantry soldier or MP Army or Marine who has returned from there . Even the Army cooks over there will tell you about the pay offs in huge money going on to keep the "peace" lol its no secret and yet our own media is incapable of atleast investigating it.

The next Pres unless he keeps up same thing will walk into a war with better armed "insurgents"
I have read about this. Our soldiers in the field are getting worried because their commanders no longer want to pay off the Sunni chieftains.
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Invading 1 nation with our entire army, camping out for 6 years and calling it "The War on Terror" is simplistic and foolish, not to mention costly and destructive.
What an simplistic view of things. Do you really believe that is all we are doing?
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