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How about after the second spawn (everybody gets credit for one mistake) on the tax payers dime the parent gets fixed? Gotta start somewhere, you asked for suggestions.
Still obsessing about sterilizing groups of people you dont like? I went out of my way to get you a link from the Wayback machine to some folks who do just that, on some other thread. You didnt thank me
Your post is unclear. Every parent gets fixed? Or only "certain kinds of" parents? Male and female? What would be the lowest income level that would qualify the parent to be allowed to breed? The least objectionable occupation?
Still obsessing about sterilizing groups of people you dont like? I went out of my way to get you a link from the Wayback machine to some folks who do just that, on some other thread. You didnt thank me
Your post is unclear. Every parent gets fixed? Or only "certain kinds of" parents? Male and female? What would be the lowest income level that would qualify the parent to be allowed to breed? The least objectionable occupation?
What part of after the second at taxpayers expense didn't you grasp? I'll type it out slowly for you, EVERYBODY, male, female, black or white. Clear enough for you now?
We all need a candidate who is staunchly pro BIRTH CONTROL! It should be free and readily accessible to everyone. Voluntary sterilization should be openly discussed and made more affordable and accessible to those without insurance. The major issue of over population should be recognized as a major global concern and smaller families should be advocated. This is just common sense. And these are the issues that should be discussed.
Has McCain touched on pregnancy prevention at all? Of course not. He voted against requiring insurance companies to cover birth control though they cover Viagra! If the abortion issue was important to McCain at all, he would make some effort to get legislation passed that would minimize the # of unwanted pregnancies. I'm not holding my breath....Just more of the same.
Songgirl,
Do you mean that you can't keep your legs together unless there is a law passed? You are saying McCain should make some effort to get legislation passed that would minimize the # of unwanted pregnancies. If you can afford a computer and internet access, you can afford a .75 cent rubber.
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The major issue of over population should be recognized as a major global concern and smaller families should be advocated.
And you should hang on to the same plastic water bottle for the rest of your life so it doesn't end up in the landfill. I live in America, and if I work hard enough to support a family, then my wife and I can have as many children as we like. Without you and your Obama ( Chinese communist philosophy ).
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The major issue of over population should be recognized as a major global concern and smaller families should be advocated.
The U.S. government should send free birth control devices around the world? Obama would spend tax payer money that way. Maybe the population in America has expanded dramatically because you huggers encouraged 12,000,000 Mexicans to enter the U.S. illegaly?
It is not the governments responsibility to make sure you don't get pregnant. It is your responsibility. The thing that vexes taxpayers is that they pay for irresponsibility.
You see, it starts out as gimmee, gimmee, gimmee. Then it turns out, do as I say. A regulated nanny state.
It would be so much better just to keep your legs together. Or at least come up with some kind of plan without government intervention. Don't you know that you are free?
It would be so much better just to keep your legs together. Or at least come up with some kind of plan without government intervention. Don't you know that you are free?
Those hedge fund guys on Wall Street couldn't keep their legs closed and we paid what? 'Bout 200 BILLION?
Do you mean that you can't keep your legs together unless there is a law passed? You are saying McCain should make some effort to get legislation passed that would minimize the # of unwanted pregnancies. If you can afford a computer and internet access, you can afford a .75 cent rubber.
And you should hang on to the same plastic water bottle for the rest of your life so it doesn't end up in the landfill. I live in America, and if I work hard enough to support a family, then my wife and I can have as many children as we like. Without you and your Obama ( Chinese communist philosophy ).
The U.S. government should send free birth control devices around the world? Obama would spend tax payer money that way. Maybe the population in America has expanded dramatically because you huggers encouraged 12,000,000 Mexicans to enter the U.S. illegaly?
It is not the governments responsibility to make sure you don't get pregnant. It is your responsibility. The thing that vexes taxpayers is that they pay for irresponsibility.
You see, it starts out as gimmee, gimmee, gimmee. Then it turns out, do as I say. A regulated nanny state.
It would be so much better just to keep your legs together. Or at least come up with some kind of plan without government intervention. Don't you know that you are free?
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Yuppers, CHOICE is wonderful , isn't it?
You'd better start to worry when CHOICE is taken away.
Do you mean that you can't keep your legs together unless there is a law passed? You are saying McCain should make some effort to get legislation passed that would minimize the # of unwanted pregnancies. If you can afford a computer and internet access, you can afford a .75 cent rubber.
And you should hang on to the same plastic water bottle for the rest of your life so it doesn't end up in the landfill. I live in America, and if I work hard enough to support a family, then my wife and I can have as many children as we like. Without you and your Obama ( Chinese communist philosophy ).
The U.S. government should send free birth control devices around the world? Obama would spend tax payer money that way. Maybe the population in America has expanded dramatically because you huggers encouraged 12,000,000 Mexicans to enter the U.S. illegaly?
It is not the governments responsibility to make sure you don't get pregnant. It is your responsibility. The thing that vexes taxpayers is that they pay for irresponsibility.
You see, it starts out as gimmee, gimmee, gimmee. Then it turns out, do as I say. A regulated nanny state.
It would be so much better just to keep your legs together. Or at least come up with some kind of plan without government intervention. Don't you know that you are free?
Wow. Do you speak to all women that way or only those who have different views than yours? You see, I was not talking about me, or you.
But since you brought it up, I have one child and no interest in populating the planet with a dozen mini-mes. I've taken care of that. Therefore, my ability to close my legs is not an issue.
The # of abortions from unwanted pregnancies and the # of abandoned, neglected unwanted children is appalling to most people ; pro choice and pro life alike. What would you propose to help rectify this? Tell all the young girls and women that they should learn to keep their legs closed? That message just doesn't seem to be getting through since 6 out of 10 pregnancies are unintended.
The government can do nothing, in which case, the number of abortions and unwanted children will continue to escalate (do you disagree or just not care?) or they can require insurance companies to cover birth control so that more people might actually use it.
As far as the government supplying birth control around the world? I didn't suggest it, but it would be cheaper than the aid we send to impoverished nations to feed their malnourished and sick children, wouldn't it? It may help to keep Ebola and other communicable diseases from mutating so quickly and becoming airborne and migrating here too. It's actually an excellent idea.
You don't think it is your responsibility to pay for other people's irresponsibility and mistakes. That's nice. But we are all paying a lot more than the minimal cost of birth control. How much do you think it costs us for uninsured women to receive prenatal care and deliveries? How much do you think it costs us to raise a child until they are 18 in foster care?
I worked in an emergency shelter for children once. After awhile, it came to my attention that there were a large # of girls, of different ages, named Deborah (last name withheld.) They were all sisters. Their mother named all her girls Deborah and had 19 children (and maybe more later?) Most were born in jail and all were immediately turned over to the state. You paid for the care of all those kids until they reached adulthood.
Working in the social service field most of my life, I could elaborate further, but I'll just end by stating that I feel that your myopic view on these issues isn't very realistic and in the long run is costing you more money anyway.
I think we need to do about every thing we can to avoid bringing more babies into the world who will grow up in poverty and ignorance. Many of those 2 million babies would have soon been on welfare.
The abortion issue is the one thing that seems to rankle everyone in the USA, regardless of what one's political affiliation. It is a deeply personal issue. I have known quite a few young women who have struggled w/ the decision to have an abortion and it was not an easily made decision - not at all. Perhaps there are women who have multiple abortions and use it as a method of birth control, but I seriously doubt it. I have known parents who were very much against abortion, but when it came to their 17 y/o being pregnant, and having to decide what that would mean for her future life . . . they decided (as a family) on getting an abortion. These are moral people who have worried about the moral implications of those actions. I just don't think people take this issue lightly.
That being said . . . my feelings are - that personally - I am against having an abortion MYSELF - but I am very concerned about the health issues that are part of the discussion. I am older than many of you, and I marched in rallies to pass legislation to ALLOW abortions. Why? B/c I had friends in college who had gone out of state to get illegal abortions. And one nearly died.
You cannot legislate morality. Simple fact. But you can do what will promote the best health if someone is going to make that decision to terminate a pregnancy. All the shrill voices saying "Baby Killer" mean nothing when a woman knows her life cannot include having a baby. It is not up to ME to judge those reasons why she feels that way. And as far as the moral implications, that is b/n her and God, and is not b/n me and God. As a Christian, I feel the imperative is on the rest of us NOT TO JUDGE. Seems some people feel the imperative is on IMPOSING BELIEFS on others. So this is a place I disagree w/ pro-lifers, even tho I am very much a pro-Life person! I just don't believe it is up to me to legislate someone else's beliefs (and thus, limit their ability to get a safe, clean abortion).
The discussion about birth control is on the same lines as the discussion re: abortion. Unfortunately, none of us can insist on people using birth control. This is a personal responsibility issue, as some other posters have noted.
Here is something I have thought a lot about . . . and would like to know what others think. It seems to me that a state that can prohibit a "woman's right to choose" b/c of the "moral" aspects of abortion, could also prohibit a "woman's right to choose" as far as how many children she wishes to have. In other words, if you can tell me I can't abort a pregnancy, then can't you enforce that I MUST have an abortion? Just look at China - and you will see what concerns me.
The state should have no right to tell us who can and cannot get an abortion, who can and cannot have children . . . It is a complex discussion and it ends up getting emotional and mean-spirited so often . . . and people end up shouting their beliefs instead of looking at this as a welfare situation - what is best for society as a whole - and leaving decisions up to the individual, not the state.
Look at it this way. Abortion is a medical procedure. For those who wish to use that procedure, that is their decision and their business. Conversely, for those who do NOT wish to use that procedure, again - their decision and their business. Why should it bother one group what the other group decides?
And one more thought . . . if you add up how many abortions have been performed in this country since Roe v Wade was passed . . . doesn't that frighten you to think what will happen to young women who want to terminate their pregnancies - and have to resort to an illegal, backroom abortion? Isn't it just as important to make sure that young woman will not DIE due to infection or bleeding to death? Isn't protecting her right to get a legal abortion also recognizing her RIGHT TO LIFE? Or are you all ready to just throw her under the bus . . . and say - well, her decision, so what if she dies?
I don't know. It is a very complicated discussion, but it really should not be. It is complex b/c we put our own moral beliefs into the equation. How about we all step back and recognize - the whole world doesn't think like we do . . . and let people be responsible for their decisions. Some things are just b/n a person and his/her Higher Power, IMHO.
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