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Old 08-23-2008, 02:50 PM
 
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Is this just now coming out?
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Old 08-23-2008, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The Panama Canal Zone was a US territory from 1903 until the 1999 handover of the Canal to Panama with a Chinese company owning the actual canal area.

All persons born in the Panama Canal Zone have US citizenship.
Panama was a province of Columbia until the US invaded and seized it.

It was a territory until 1979, not 1999.

Panama, and the Panama Canal Zone are not the same thing. The Canal Zone is the area around the canal.

All Americans born in the Canal Zone have US citizenship. Panamanians and others born in the Canal Zone do not.
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Old 08-23-2008, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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His citizenship is not in question. His eligibility for POTUS is - specifically the requirement of being a "natural-born citizen." It's a different standard than just regular citizenship.
The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952 makes McCain both a "national and a citizen."

A national is a "natural born" citizen.
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Old 08-23-2008, 05:51 PM
 
Location: In the sunshine on a ship with a plank
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Doesn't anyone realize that if the Democrats could have disqualified him for his place of birth they would have done so already?
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Old 08-24-2008, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Doesn't anyone realize that if the Democrats could have disqualified him for his place of birth they would have done so already?
Another political party has no power to do this. The fact is the law regarding this subject is ambiguous, and the Supreme Court hasn't weighed in on it because it has never occurred (a person born on foreign soil becoming President) - at least not since the very beginnings of America when such a situation was allowed by law. The law is now murky.

If John McCain were to get elected, the Supreme Court just may get to finally decide this issue.
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Old 09-29-2008, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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“There are powerful arguments that Senator McCain or anyone else in this position is constitutionally qualified, but there is certainly no precedent,†said Sarah H. Duggin, an associate professor of law at Catholic University who has studied the issue extensively. “It is not a slam-dunk situation.â€
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us...=1&oref=slogin
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Moose Jaw, in between the Moose's butt and nose.
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If in the verrrrrry sad event that McCain got elected, I would not be shocked if Rove, Palin and all the other Republican thugs who hated McCain up until 18 months ago, use this to put Palin in the POTUS.
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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The Panama Canal Zone was a US territory from 1903 until the 1999 handover of the Canal to Panama with a Chinese company owning the actual canal area.

All persons born in the Panama Canal Zone have US citizenship.
Also, all persons born at an US embassy, US military post, base, land or air space are US citizens. For example, a pregnant Chinese woman flying to the US and having a child on US territory (land air, water). The child is an US citizen.
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Also, all persons born at an US embassy, US military post, base, land or air space are US citizens. For example, a pregnant Chinese woman flying to the US and having a child on US territory (land air, water). The child is an US citizen.
Only so long as they meet the current requirements, which is they have to physically be present in the US for a certain number of years. If they cannot meet the requirement, they are not citizens.

They current law states:

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"Section 301 (b) Any person who is a national and citizen of the United States under paragraph (7) of subsection (a) shall lose his nationality and citizenship unless (1) he shall come to the United States and be continuously physically present therein for a period of not less than two years between the ages of fourteen years and twenty-eight years; or (2) the alien parent is naturalized while the child is under the age of eighteen years and the child begins to reside permanently in the United States while under the age of eighteen years. In the administration of this subsection absences from the United States of less than sixty days in the aggregate during the period for which continuous physical presence in the United States is required shall not break the continuity of such physical presence."
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Doesn't anyone realize that if the Democrats could have disqualified him for his place of birth they would have done so already?
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Another political party has no power to do this. The fact is the law regarding this subject is ambiguous, and the Supreme Court hasn't weighed in on it because it has never occurred (a person born on foreign soil becoming President) - at least not since the very beginnings of America when such a situation was allowed by law. The law is now murky.

If John McCain were to get elected, the Supreme Court just may get to finally decide this issue.
I interpret what pirate girl said to mean that the Dems would have picked up on it and made an issue of it before now, and then McCain would have been disqualified.
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