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Old 07-13-2008, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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I have heard several things about McCain in his military career. One he was regularly dealing with issues of rage and an uncontrollable temper and two that he had crashed 3 planes. On the surface this would scream to me that his qualifications should be looked at. Why wouldnt the military think the same? if he is regulaly making mistakes seems he coould be a safety threat to himself and others. Wouldnt the military ground him? did they ever investigate his performance?
I know it would not be a proper thing to question a former POW, after all they did suffer for their country. I just can't help but wonder if perhaps he was just not competent enough to fly and perhaps the military superiors in his day were not doing their duty. Anyone else have insight or thoughts?
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Old 07-13-2008, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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His father was the admiral over the Pacific during McCain's stay in the POW prison.
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:01 AM
 
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His father was the admiral over the Pacific during McCain's stay in the POW prison.
Was his father in charge of overseeing his fitness to continue flying?
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:07 AM
 
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Was his father in charge of overseeing his fitness to continue flying?
That's not what I claimed. I only said that his father was the Admiral in charge of the Pacific while he was in POW prison. I was wrong. He was actually in charge of the Vietnam theater. Whether or not he received special treatment due to that is an assumption you need to make.
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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That's not what I claimed. I only said that his father was the Admiral in charge of the Pacific while he was in POW prison. I was wrong. He was actually in charge of the Vietnam theater. Whether or not he received special treatment due to that is an assumption you need to make.
No, I wasn't assuming he was, only asking as a clarification to learn something I didn't know. The op has posted a pretty interesting question.....

I imagine it would be tough to be an Admiral while your son was in POW status.
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:18 AM
 
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I'm no great fan of McCain but I think it's sorry to try so hard to find something on McCain. How about taking a look at Obama and questioning his chore values? Now there's someone that is scary IMO.
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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No, I wasn't assuming he was, only asking as a clarification to learn something I didn't know. The op has posted a pretty interesting question.....

I imagine it would be tough to be an Admiral while your son was in POW status.
Claims have been made that McCain was treated better than other POWs because he was the Admiral's son.

Based on what I've read of his biography, McCain had some bad luck. His mission that landed him in the Hanoi Hilton was brought to an end by a missile. That's not really something (in the 1960s) that a fighter pilot could really do much about. A few case studies proved that it was their training rather than their ability that led to so many casualties and downed planes.


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What observations can be drawn from this brief look at US Air Force technology in the Vietnam War? First, the airmen can get off the hook, a little at least, for their inadequate technology early in the conflict in that they designed their weapons for the war their civilian superiors demanded: nuclear war. While it is true that the military does not pick the wars it fights, it does pick the technologies it uses.
Did USAF Technology Fail in Vietnam?
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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Was his father in charge of overseeing his fitness to continue flying?

Despite graduating in the bottom 1% of his class at the Naval Academy, McCain was offered the most sought after Navy assignment... to become an aircraft carrier pilot.

Naturally, being the son of an Admiral, he was given preferential treatment from the get go. Including, apparently during his time as a POW.

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A former Vietnamese Communist Party official is claiming Sen. John McCain was "quickly singled out for softer treatment" as a POW because "he was the son of an American admiral. Phung Van Chung, 70, who was a Communist Party official at the time McCain was captured said "top" Vietnamese leaders wanted to use McCain "for negotiations."
Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:33 AM
 
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McCain asked to be a fighter pilot. He also claims that his standing in school was based on personal conflicts with the instructors rather than his ability. In some courses, he did very well. In those that didn't interest him, such as math, he did very poorly.
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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McCain asked to be a fighter pilot. He also claims that his standing in school was based on personal conflicts with the instructors rather than his ability. In some courses, he did very well. In those that didn't interest him, such as math, he did very poorly.
Whatever the reasons he finished 894 out of 899, not exactly a stellar performance. Certainly being the son of an Admiral had it's advantages, I don't think that can be disputed.
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