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That was/is already taught in Illinois schools in kindergarten, and the bill's supporters would have known that. The State Board of Ed which monitors legislative activity would have told them that teaching personal space, inappropriate touching, etc., in kindergarten, etc., were already covered in the state standards making the bill Obama supported unnecessary if that were his purpose.
Illinois Kindergarten Standards excerpts:
Learning Standard A Demonstrate procedures for communication in positive ways, resolving differences and preventing conflict.
Recall safety rules at home, at school, and in the community.
Recognize when to ask an adult for help.
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Discuss good and bad behaviors.
Learning Standard C Demonstrate skills essential to enhancing health and avoiding dangerous situations.
Discuss who strangers are and why and when one should be cautious around them.
Define ‘good touch’ and ‘bad touch’.
Discuss how to react in dangerous situations.
To recap - they didn't need a new bill to teach kindergarteners good touch/bad touch. That was already a part of the state standards.
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There was a gap in curricular instruction that the bill was meant to address.
What gap? This the first I'm hearing of a supposed 'gap'. And do you think the dangers of molestation/abuse started with the new millennium? Use your heads people. The education Obama claims was the purpose of the bill was already in place! We'd be idiotic to not have it in place. My kids had exactly the type of education Obama claims as the purpose of the bill 25 and 27 years ago when they were in kindergarten.
What gap? This the first I'm hearing of a supposed 'gap'. And do you think the dangers of molestation/abuse started with the new millennium? Use your heads people. The education Obama claims was the purpose of the bill was already in place! We'd be idiotic to not have it in place. My kids had exactly the type of education Obama claims as the purpose of the bill 25 and 27 years ago when they were in kindergarten.
Crap, I thought I included the link to that before and now I can't find it. The site was ABC news and they interviewed people involved with the bill, one of whom was head of the Illinois Parents Association (if I remember correctly), and they talked about the lack of training for many of those involved with sexual abuse prevention in schools. Hence, the need for additional curricular materials.
And I read the bill this afternoon when I posted a link to it.
ABC news in Chicago ... interviewed two women involved with the bill, one of whom was head of the Illinois Parents Association (if I remember correctly), and they talked about the lack of training for many of those involved with sexual abuse prevention in schools. Hence, the need for additional curricular materials.
The intent was not STD education for kindergartners. Political Punch
"I spoke to two Illinois advocates who were involved with assessing the bill in 2003 – Gretchen McDowell, the past president of the Illinois Parent-Teacher Association and Kelvy Brown, the legislative coordinator of the Chicago Department of Public Health – to see what the bill was trying to accomplish with regards to kindergartners.
The bill was updating Illinois law on health and sex education, addressing sex education classes that already existed at the time, and offering guidelines to instructors as to what should be in those classes....
The word “comprehensive” appears just once in the bill as applied to kindergartners, it the section saying that "Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV" -- in other words, the word was focused on pre-existing classes that may exist.
McDowell points out that the bill states “All course material and instruction shall be age and developmentally appropriate.”
So what does “comprehensive sex education” mean in terms of kindergartners?
“It means teaching kids about families,” McDowell says....
"No reasonable person would believe we’re talking about teaching kindergartners about sexual intercourse," McDowell says. "I don’t think Sen. McCain believes that.”
McDowell says that Obama was correct, and says that the Illinois PTA had been active for a long time in encouraging schools to educate children about improper touching.
“A lot of schools don’t have people trained to explain that kind of thing to students without scaring them,” she says.
The intent was not STD education for kindergartners. Political Punch
"I spoke to two Illinois advocates who were involved with assessing the bill in 2003 – Gretchen McDowell, the past president of the Illinois Parent-Teacher Association and Kelvy Brown, the legislative coordinator of the Chicago Department of Public Health – to see what the bill was trying to accomplish with regards to kindergartners.
The bill was updating Illinois law on health and sex education, addressing sex education classes that already existed at the time, and offering guidelines to instructors as to what should be in those classes....
The word “comprehensive” appears just once in the bill as applied to kindergartners, it the section saying that "Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV" -- in other words, the word was focused on pre-existing classes that may exist.
McDowell points out that the bill states “All course material and instruction shall be age and developmentally appropriate.”
So what does “comprehensive sex education” mean in terms of kindergartners?
“It means teaching kids about families,” McDowell says....
"No reasonable person would believe we’re talking about teaching kindergartners about sexual intercourse," McDowell says. "I don’t think Sen. McCain believes that.”
McDowell says that Obama was correct, and says that the Illinois PTA had been active for a long time in encouraging schools to educate children about improper touching.
“A lot of schools don’t have people trained to explain that kind of thing to students without scaring them,” she says.
i thought you would never ask. since adultery is 50% i think teaching kids bout AIDS should pass to educators not the irresponsible.
FYI aids does not show up for 90 days on a blood test and does not show physical symptoms for 7 years. kids are passing aids on a large scale right now and don't even know it.
No. What they 'claim' it means is very different from what it actually attempted to mandate. I will have to ask you both again, what do any of these claims as to the intention of the bill have to do with mandating STD education for kindergarteners?
There was absolutely no reason to change the STD education requirement from grades 6-12 to grades K-12 to accomplish what they allege were the intentions of the bill.
The bill holds alcohol and drug education off until 5th grade, but mandates STD education in kindergarten. Why? And why would Obama give mandating STD education for kindergarteners his stamp of approval by supporting the bill?
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But I'm definitely done.
