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Old 10-09-2008, 08:55 PM
 
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Switzerland has compulsory gun ownership for military age males, yet it has a far lower murder rate than the U.S.

Same thing with Israel.

It's not the guns that kill. It's the culture.
True, they don't have the "thug" influence we're stuck with.
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:03 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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What does any of that have to do with Obama?

Hate to break it to the right wingers but the chance of martial law and a gun grab is 100% greater under either Bush or McCain than under ANY Democrat. These are the people who like violating the Constitution, not any Democrats, who respect the law. The neocons have had a total disregard for the law.

They wouldnt necessarily take your guns, but they would make sure you are outgunned, courtesy of Blackwater USA. And any chance of using that gun to defend yourself or your property would result in you being cut to ribbons.

Think it cant happen? Do so at your own peril.

Of course, the sheep who vote Republican cannot comprehend this, as Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/Sean Hannity wont admit to this
Obama supported a total ban on handguns, a ban on semi-autos, said he wanted concealed carry banned, etc. I call that infringing on rights. Just because Bush has a less than stellar record doesn't make the democrats Constitution-respecting saints, they have a much worse record when it comes to the Second Amendment and to some degree on the First with their support for so-called "hate speech" laws.
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:05 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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It's sad, I know, but the Constitution has something called the 2nd Amendment (right to keep and bear arms) and it has allowed a gun cult to flourish in this country.

And these gun nuts are often dangerously unstable people. Hence, lots of murders and gun violence in this country, and often times, no gun laws in many states.
Actually the areas in the US with the most restrictive gun laws tend overall to have higher violent crime rates. VT has some of the least restrictive, is swimming in guns, and one of the lowest violent crime rates. The problem is gangs, drugs, etc. as far as gun related crimes go not guns themselves. Putting a gun in the hand of a normal person doesn't make them go out and kill people.
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Actually the areas in the US with the most restrictive gun laws tend overall to have higher violent crime rates. VT has some of the least restrictive, is swimming in guns, and one of the lowest violent crime rates. The problem is gangs, drugs, etc. as far as gun related crimes go not guns themselves. Putting a gun in the hand of a normal person doesn't make them go out and kill people.

This is true. However,one can also point to a handgun ban in Washington D.C. that actually did work, and did lower crime rates. But it was overturned by the Supreme Court.

Virginia also has close to no gun restrictions and a disturbed college student purchased a couple 9 mm's and killed 32 people at Virginia Tech, even though he has previously been treated for mental illness and had a history of anti social behavior and making violent statements.

Democrats do respect the Constitution, Republicans use the 2nd Amendment to keep voters by promising them no restrictions on guns. Gun nuts all vote Republican.
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Nevada
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Default McCain/Palin 2008 for safe Change

Also if a criminal or insane human needs a gun they wont run to your local gun shop to pick one up legally. The guys & gals who shop legally for any type of gun are not running around shooting people, robbing people, drive by shootings and so on! The low life criminals are hoping & praying obama will be elected, i wonder why? Anyway get your facts straight libs!

Get your guns now, obama will have his nutty gun control moving fast as soon as he wins.

I'm glad the NRA is fighting obama!

McCain/Palin 2008



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Actually the areas in the US with the most restrictive gun laws tend overall to have higher violent crime rates. VT has some of the least restrictive, is swimming in guns, and one of the lowest violent crime rates. The problem is gangs, drugs, etc. as far as gun related crimes go not guns themselves. Putting a gun in the hand of a normal person doesn't make them go out and kill people.
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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What does any of that have to do with Obama?

Hate to break it to the right wingers but the chance of martial law and a gun grab is 100% greater under either Bush or McCain than under ANY Democrat. These are the people who like violating the Constitution, not any Democrats, who respect the law. The neocons have had a total disregard for the law.

They wouldnt necessarily take your guns, but they would make sure you are outgunned, courtesy of Blackwater USA. And any chance of using that gun to defend yourself or your property would result in you being cut to ribbons.

Think it cant happen? Do so at your own peril.

Of course, the sheep who vote Republican cannot comprehend this, as Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/Sean Hannity wont admit to this
I still wonder why people think I am going to vote mccain when I say that I am terrified for my rights if obama is elected? I dont like either candidate, it is another vote for the lesser of the two evils.


the new Orleans government elect during the hurricane were democrats. They had guns confiscated. Taking away ones rights.
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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It's sad, I know, but the Constitution has something called the 2nd Amendment (right to keep and bear arms) and it has allowed a gun cult to flourish in this country.

And these gun nuts are often dangerously unstable people. Hence, lots of murders and gun violence in this country, and often times, no gun laws in many states.
prove this point.
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Road Warrior
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Probably because they are afraid of what kind of country this is going to turn into if Nobama is elected.
You got that right, personally I don't think McCain will do any better, but Obama scares me, imagine Obama as president with a Democrat controlled House and Senate, confiscating your rights to defend yourself, if the economy tumbles worse, if Obama tries to attack Pakistan, and you don't like it, tough luck you've lost your voice to protest as well, no matter how bad the situation is right now, you still have your rights and most importantly you can defend them - life, liberty and property.
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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What does any of that have to do with Obama?

Hate to break it to the right wingers but the chance of martial law and a gun grab is 100% greater under either Bush or McCain than under ANY Democrat. These are the people who like violating the Constitution, not any Democrats, who respect the law. The neocons have had a total disregard for the law.

They wouldnt necessarily take your guns, but they would make sure you are outgunned, courtesy of Blackwater USA. And any chance of using that gun to defend yourself or your property would result in you being cut to ribbons.

Think it cant happen? Do so at your own peril.

Of course, the sheep who vote Republican cannot comprehend this, as Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/Sean Hannity wont admit to this
by the by, Glenn beck is not a republican, he hates boths party's and both candidates. he is still undecided
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Well, it could not be the economy, because buying more guns requires having extra cash, and the economy is supposed to be bad. Right? That only leaves Obama.

The more the polls indicate the Obama is ahead, the more guns Americans buy. Just imagine Obama as president and a Congress at his disposal? Can you imagine the gun grabbers in Congress... salivating? That's what gun owners think about.
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