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All I hear is how government needs to cut down spending and spasms over the deficit.....but then when a candidate says "Hey, we can't AFFORD this"....everyone wants to be backseat politicians and gripe.
The bill in question would bring back the financial support our WW2 veterans had. This includes full tuition, room and board. A VERY costly expense. At this time they are getting a little over $1000 a month towards college. Is it enough? Probably not unless they also work a job and saved while they were in the military while getting discounted/free housing, food, and other expenses.
I'm not saying our service members are over paid or don't deserve the chance of an education, but trying to foot the bill of an entire education and living expense of each member wanting to go to college....is a HUGE expense. Making the decision to sign this bill should not be done in haste.
americans/ gov should be willing to support our troops but it willbe called socialism. theres no reason why there should be homeless vets onthe street etc who are struggling
And the endorsement is higher among retirees; 72% - 20%.
Ionder where you get your data.
I guess from those who knew him best:
Dr. JAMES LUCIER, former U.S. Senate Chief of Staff: But We do know that when he was there [in the Vietnamese prison], he cooperated with the communist news services in giving interviews there, ah, not flattering to the United States.
USRY: Information shows that he made over 32 tapes of propaganda for the Vietnamese government. Certainly, you do what you need to do to stay alive. Nobody would fault anybody for that. But there comes a point in time when enough is enough.
REP: DORNAN: They made those transcriptions, and in the transcriptions, I heard a POW who heard them comin’ into his cell and said, “Oh, my God, is that Admiral McCain’s son? Is that the admiral’s son? Is that Johnny — telling us that our principal targets are schools, orphanages, hospitals, temples, churches?” That was Jane Fonda’s line. Where are those transcriptions? Believe me — they’re in the archives of the museum, the bragging military phony museum in Hanoi. McCain could not have wanted those [to] turn up in the middle of a presidential race. He knows that. I know that, and a few other people know that, and that’s why he went against Bob Dole’s legislation.
DUMAS: And he didn’t want nobody looking into his background in that camp, what went on in that camp. That stuff is still classified so nobody can see it. And he just had it classified forever, so nobody’ll ever look at it.
LUCIER: That he was given special treatment and was put in a room with two other defectors who were later given special treatment. Although I will say to his credit he refused to be repatriated as a result.
REP: DORNAN: This sounds so good at first. McCain was offered the chance to come home. They called him the “Prince.” And he could have. But nobody ever takes that one step beyond that. If John … Admiral John McCain II … “Junior” … if his son, a lieutenant senior grade, had accepted this princely status and come home in 1967 while the others would sit there for five years, what would the Navy have done, with the son of an admiral who opted to get special treatment and come home? No Navy career. No House seat. No Senate seat. It would have been the end of his career. [Edit.] And they were offering him this chance to go home in one of three groups that came home in ‘68.
SANTOLI: They were all collaborators.
REP. DORNAN: And McCain called them this — except for Bill Kagill [phonetic] — the “slipperies,” the “slimies” and the “sleazies.” I once forgot one of those names — and he refreshed my memory. The slipperies, the slimies and the sleazies. So that meant that he would have become a slimy, a sleazy and a slippery, ruining his career and the admiral’s son goes home. What I’m saying is, yes — he chose to stay. But did he have an alternative if he ever wanted to have a life? And what would it have done to his father? Pensito Review » Vietnam POW Activists Called McCain ‘Songbird’ and ‘Manchurian Candidate’
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zman, I get my information from talking and socializing with the active duty military people on the base where I work.
Military Times isn't exactly non-partisan, if you know what I mean.
Kramercat, just wow.
So much for war hero.
While I don't begrudge him doing what he had to do to to survive, I do mind his holier than thou attitude and deception.
That doesn't bring honor to him or to those who were prisoners with him.
McCain hates the troops, or is it that the troops just hate him?
McCain's Voting Record: He Does Not Support Our Troops and Veterans (http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559 - broken link)
The AFL-CIO is mobilizing union members who are military veterans to work against Republican presidential candidate John McCain and other office seekers it opposes, officials said Thursday.
zman, I get my information from talking and socializing with the active duty military people on the base where I work.
Military Times isn't exactly non-partisan, if you know what I mean.
Kramercat, just wow.
So much for war hero.
While I don't begrudge him doing what he had to do to to survive, I do mind his holier than thou attitude and deception.
That doesn't bring honor to him or to those who were prisoners with him.
Amen sister! I knew there was a reason I liked you! The truth is here one just needs to open their eyes wide and accept.
Here are the one who do NOT deserve our taxpayer money:
- Billions for oil loopholes and "incentives"
- Billions for corn ethanol
- Billions for farm subsidies
- Trillion dollar tax cut in 2001 for the wealthy who did NOT need it, nor have they done anything useful with that money.
The vets DESERVE it, the other federal teat suckers do NOT.
It is not that Military Veterans DESERVE the Education it is that they EARNED the support. Educating Veterans is not a giveaway it is an investment in future productivity into people that are no longer children and are not likely to treat school as play.
Yes, it is expensive but so are so many wasteful government programs like funding pointless wars and giving money to squandering Wall Street gamblers. McCain has had a long career of giving in to the powerful. He is a college frat party boy that does not even acknowledge folks that weren’t sons of Admirals or children of wealth. He and Bush are exactly the same but McCain has indeed suffered more.
I am a Vietnam Vet and I am very much opposed to McCain and his outclassed VP nominee.
Have you heard about the Military Times poll on the 2008 presidential election?
The study showed John McCain defeating Barack Obama by 68 percent to 23, if the members of the United States military were electing the next president.
That's nearly a 3-to-1 gap.
With a conflict in Afghanistan and the drawing down of Iraq, the military vote is the most indicative of leadership and trust, because the next president will become the commander in chief of the armed forces.
A voting booth at Camp Fallujah, Iraq. Marines, soldiers and sailors are pulling out of Camp Fallujah as the security situation improves.
By all accounts, the national race is very close, so what accounts for this enormous difference for the very small portion of Americans who serve?
There's the obvious point that John McCain, as a former Navy pilot, benefits from a better knowledge of the military and that members of the military would feel a fraternity, but the pro-McCain bias is more than time served.
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