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Old 10-22-2008, 01:20 PM
 
Location: CLT native
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Rogue state? The constitution says states can secede. Course we saw how well the Government follows the Constitution.
I wish my state would secede.


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Old 10-22-2008, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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I believe the last person to suffer under that delusion was Jefferson Davis.

Now if you don't mind, please take out your copy of the US Constitution and please point to that Article which points to the right of secession.
There WAS history prior to the Constitution.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:22 PM
 
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There WAS history prior to the Constitution.
Ah!
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:23 PM
 
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I believe the last person to suffer under that delusion was Jefferson Davis.

Now if you don't mind, please take out your copy of the US Constitution and please point to that Article which points to the right of secession.

Please point out where it is explicitly forbidden.

Because if it's not explicitly addressed by the federal powers, then it implicitly becomes one of the states' rights.

The Declaration of Independence actually addresses the Founding Fathers position on secession. Then the Constitution does not prohibit it, and it could have done so, if the Founding Fathers had desired to do so. When the original authors of the Constitution were ALIVE, and the New England states brought up secession for consideration, there was no public outcry that they didn't have the right to do so. There was no rush to pass laws to prohibit secession. Why do you think that was?
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:30 PM
 
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There was no rush to pass laws to prohibit secession.
Because, after just seceding from England ...
... in those days being an obvious policy hypocrite was not considered "acceptable" behavior, unlike today.

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Old 10-22-2008, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If Alaska seceeds, I'm moving there. If the imperialist American machine sends it's military to put down the peaceful revolt, I'll take up arms with my fellow patriots.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Please point out where it is explicitly forbidden.

Because if it's not explicitly addressed by the federal powers, then it implicitly becomes one of the states' rights.

The Declaration of Independence actually addresses the Founding Fathers position on secession. Then the Constitution does not prohibit it, and it could have done so, if the Founding Fathers had desired to do so. When the original authors of the Constitution were ALIVE, and the New England states brought up secession for consideration, there was no public outcry that they didn't have the right to do so. There was no rush to pass laws to prohibit secession. Why do you think that was?
Article I, Section. 10.
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation....

Hey, I AGREE with you on the intent!
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:43 PM
 
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Am I reading these posts correctly? Are these Republican voters who are advocating for states to secede? Let the Alaskans steal this nation's oil? I dont think so. LOL we wouldn't even let Sadam steal his own oil, much less a theft of our very own oil. Exxon and Cheney wont allow it! LOL But seriously, how Anti-American can you conservatives get that you justify any talk of breaking up this country.?? Totally unpatriotic to the highest order. You people are really showing your true colors this election season.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:45 PM
 
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Let the Alaskans steal this nation's oil?
I'm not a conservative. And I'm not a McCain/Palin supporter.

But this statement makes me sick.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:48 PM
 
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I'm not a conservative. And I'm not a McCain/Palin supporter.

But this statement makes me sick.
I think its sickening that a group of people believe federal land belongs to them. And I believe that kooky guy who lead that party Todd Palin was a part of was willing to kill American soldiers (take back the land by force if necessary) to get his hands on the land and oil. Sorry if I find that the very essence of unpatriotic.
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