Republicans who vote for Obama are NOT traitors (president, American, political)

[tb4000]

As Chris Rock said a couple years ago, "the Dems are idiots, the Repubs are idiots...anyone who bases their opinion on something before hearing the issue just because of the group they belong to is a moron. There's some **** I'm liberal about, there's some **** I'm conservative about."

[TnHilltopper]

Originally Posted by SGrey

Ignorance, laziness, and a strangehold by both parties with an intention to keep that hold sounds about right to me. Yet can we really blame the media? They feed the mob what will sell. Sensationalism sells over substance. For that I blame the American people. The media simply enables us.

Yes, I can most certainly blame the media but it would be foolish to think that the bulk of this problem is failure to recognize mea culpa.

Society produces the kind of citizens it needs without ever realizing it. During the 60's-70's, kids looked at our space program and sci-fi movies with admiration as it was always the scientist that saved the day. These kids grew up to be the water bearers of a foundation set earlier and we now have an amazing level of technological achievement. Forward to today, were we have migrated to a more service based economy that is less based in production and technological prowess and more so in consumerism and maintenance of a consumer society. It doesn't need engineers and scientist in the numbers it once did, instead it needs clerks, tellers, button pushers, etc... to support this service economy. So today our educational system reflects this in the level of education our students in public schools receive, which in my opinion is dismal. One of the key missing elements from this current educational system that is based more on teaching kids what to think instead of how to think and people civic duty to the nation and their fellow countrymen.

Add to this a news media that is but one small part of a greater corporate entity that also happens to have a vested interest in things like the tools of war, profit even at the expense of a greater national interest, since many companies are international and have no such loyalties to the American people or anyone else for that matter.

All these things culminate to produce what we have before us today and I am of the opinion that the blame for this rest in many places, but I agree that the bulk of it is upon you and I and one of the greatest tragedies is that we have even lost the definition of Conservative and Liberal and condensed it down for an absolutist binary meal for us to digest. We are what we eat.

Absolutely and I do not mean to say McCain is alone in this. The deterioration of the Republican party and the values there of can be traced back years and through more politicians than could be counted off the top of the head.

That is because Republicans have forgot what conservative actually means. The term Republican can be a chameleon and is, but the definition of conservatism is at least in my mind set in stone and we haven't see much real conservatism since Goldwater.

McCain's backing of Bush on certain issues scares the crap out of me. They are every bit as dangerous as Obama's might be. Socialism is not another word for communism despite my not believing in either. There are many countries that have some socialistic policies yet are not communists. Maybe it is just me but I refuse, absolutely refuse to cast a vote out of fear whether it be of terrorism or the United States as we know it supposedly ending if x candidate gets into office.

What do you expect from a group of militant liberals

LOL One should take care criticizing anther's assessment when their own then follows with the catch words of the day such as liberal know nothings. TN as far as I know, is not a liberal.

No, definitely not a liberal but unlike many who are not liberal, I do not fear liberals or liberalism. Conservatism and Liberalism are legitimate and viable political philosophies that each have their pros and cons and depending upon the issue, I can sometimes identify with one more than the other. However, in the overall I don't ever see myself taking an absolutist position across the board as no one political philosophy has the secret universal truth. I tend to favor a more traditional view of conservationism but that is the approach, not the end.

As to those folks who consider themselves conservatives or Republicans or whatever who are voting for Obama, more power to them for at least having an open mind to consider an alternative, even if they are right or wrong.

[captaincatfish]

I'm going to praise Hilltopper---he/she has a difficult task at hand in trying to maintain a civil code of conduct here...Hilltopper, your posts are like a cooling flask of water, offered to those who search for relief from the desert of NoKnowledge...I enjoy reading them, even if (as I have said to others LOL) you may sometimes take an unpopular stand...I salute you

And now for my comment---I stand firmly on the side of the young Marine OP! There are McCain supporters whom I would not hesitate (Nov 4th notwithstanding LOL) to invite into my home, or to have a spirited discussion with, or to share a foxhole with...I am ex-US Army Infantry, and I too served my country willingly and without shame or rancor...I am also a supporter of Sen Obama, and I take extreme umbrage at the notion that someone, ANYONE, would question my love for this country based solely on my choice of Presidential candidates...that's a real Mickey Mouse line of thinking, and I am growing increasingly weary of all the mud tossing and name calling coming from BOTH sides...'nuff said

[VetagainstMcCain]

There are thousands, hopefully millions, of Republicans who reject the Republican party as it exists and the vile hate and lies it spews forth in this particular campaign. One of my favorite Reagan quotes is: I hope I have appealed to your greatest hopes and not your worst fears.
Voting for McCain and Palin would be giving into our worst fears. LHRFO

Originally Posted by Marines4Commonsense

"I like to remind those who call us traitors that we're the Republicans who have not left the party; that as millions of people leave the GOP each year, we're the ones who want to stay and help us rediscover our greatness.

The two-party system may go under a little shake-up after this election, but it's not going away, and the Republican party itself is probably not going away. Over the next week and over the next eight years, there's still much we can do to help our party regenerate itself, as we help the Obama presidency be everything it can for America."

~ J.M., RFO

[TeamFoster]

Originally Posted by njchick

Sorry, any Republican that votes for Obama is by definition, not a Republican. They may not be a traitor (they just may have changed their viewpoint). But a Republican/conservative would not vote for a person who espouses socialist philosophy.. it just doesn't make sense.

It absolutely makes sense. I have a fiscal conservative viewpoint. However, there is no room for me in the Republican party because I can't stomach the vile nastiness that has permiated the party for the last 15 years. The repub party used to stand for values I could believe in. Not anymore. I don't know who is most responsible, the far right christians or the neocons. But I feel they are a bigger threat to our constitution and way of life than any foreign terrorist. As proof I'll point to the kind of bullying and name calling that goes on toward anyone doesn't toe the line. Unpatriotic, unamerican, anti christ, don't even come close to the worst of the name calling. Calling Obama socialist when a big step toward socializing banks in this country was just taken is proof that the word is used without any real understanding of what it means. What they did to the Dixie chicks was the kind of bullying that anyone from the inquisition would have been proud of. Knock it off people. I was never really a fan of the Dixie chicks, but I bought their cd after they were given such a hard time because I support their right to free speech whether they are right or wrong. When the Repub party adopts to the kind of civility we saw in William F Buckley then I will be back.

[Po the Patriot]

Originally Posted by captaincatfish

I'm going to praise Hilltopper---he/she has a difficult task at hand in trying to maintain a civil code of conduct here...Hilltopper, your posts are like a cooling flask of water, offered to those who search for relief from the desert of NoKnowledge...I enjoy reading them, even if (as I have said to others LOL) you may sometimes take an unpopular stand...I salute you

And now for my comment---I stand firmly on the side of the young Marine OP! There are McCain supporters whom I would not hesitate (Nov 4th notwithstanding LOL) to invite into my home, or to have a spirited discussion with, or to share a foxhole with...I am ex-US Army Infantry, and I too served my country willingly and without shame or rancor...I am also a supporter of Sen Obama, and I take extreme umbrage at the notion that someone, ANYONE, would question my love for this country based solely on my choice of Presidential candidates...that's a real Mickey Mouse line of thinking, and I am growing increasingly weary of all the mud tossing and name calling coming from BOTH sides...'nuff said

I question anyone's Patriotism who would support a socialist for President.
And I really don't give a damn whether you take umbrage to that fact or not.

[varangian]

Originally Posted by Po the Patriot

I question anyone's Patriotism who would support a socialist for President.
And I really don't give a damn whether you take umbrage to that fact or not.

I don't think you want to start this again.

And I'm going to say right now, that I believe you are no veteran.

[Po the Patriot]

Originally Posted by varangian

I don't think you want to start this again.

And I'm going to say right now, that I believe you are no veteran.

I am not starting anything I am continuing it.
I have my own thoughts and beliefs and I think that while anyone here has a right to support whomever they wish, and I would not deny them that right.

I have the right to doubt their patriotism , and their intelligence for supporting a socialist for President of the United States.

I am a veteran , but you know what? I don't give a damn what you believe concerning my service either.

[varangian]

Originally Posted by Po the Patriot

I am not starting anything I am continuing it.
I have my own thoughts and beliefs and I think that while anyone here has a right to support whomever they wish, and I would not deny them that right.

I have the right to doubt their patriotism , and their intelligence for supporting a socialist for President of the United States.

I am a veteran , but you know what? I don't give a damn what you believe concerning my service either.

Of course you don't. Because you're not a vet. No vet would attack the bond that we all share like that.

Sorry.

One of my nephews is in Iraq, and the other is going in January, they are both voting for Obama. My dad, had he survived Vietnam, would most likely be with Obama too.

So yeah, it's your right to say such hurtful things about people who have served.

And other people have the right to look at that behavior and express that they think it's beyond petty and childish.

[Huckleberry3911948]

anybody that votes for obama is a partriot. not the type wrapped up in a flag and at church on sunday ----a real patriot. wars cost money we are going broke fast.
thanks
obama 08