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Old 10-30-2008, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Sacramento, Ca
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Yes they do and that's fine. However, the term is what is constantly objected to with no explanation behind it. She used the same term but gets a free pass. We already spread the wealth in this country it's just a matter of whether it goes up or down.
Yes, terms and connotative meaning is a big part of the banter both on this board and in this election as a whole.
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:43 PM
 
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I agree with those things too. In short, I believe the smaller our government, the less issues we'll all have over how Uncle Sam (mis)spends our money. Of course the government needs money to run. But at a federal level, it should not need to be very large. States should handle much of what Obama is proposing be handled by the feds.

I don't want the government to decide that my contributions to my 401k are now taxable. I don't want the government to impose restrictions that will likely result in my employer not matching my contributions. I don't want to be forced to contribute to yet another version of Social Security.

Is this making any more sense than the welfare mother analogy?

The more government gets involved, the more likely the case for fraud and corruption.

Let me balance my own checkbook. I don't need Daddy Obama and Auntie Nancy to do it for me.
You do realize that if you want state governments to "handle much of what Obama is proposing be handled by the feds", that the state governments will then be increasing their taxes on you. Whatever is getting handled, the handlers have to get paid. In some states, where wages are really high, like California, the taxes will have to be really high. In some states, where wages and cost of living are lower, taxes won't be that high. Doing it on a federal level tends to balance that out. Doesn't have to be done federally, there's a strong case to be made for states increasing their jurisdiction in a number of areas. But it would be interesting to see how different states handled things, if the federal dollars went away.
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Scarlet, I'm not nuts about that idea either. I just have to weigh all the issues as well as who these men are going to appoint to cabinet posts, who is running Congress (a madwoman who under Obama will have much more influence than she will under McCain)and who they might appoint to the Supreme Court--justices who think they can enact legislation, not interpret the law. That's how I reached my decision. I'm amazed how many people have felt the need to personally attack me for my beliefs when I've not stooped to that once.

Smaller government doesn't have to be a thing of the past if we, the people, elect representatives who work to bring that back.
You sound more third party to me. Have you considered voting outside Republican/Democrat?
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:45 PM
 
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I agree with you also. But the republican party that use to stand for this is completely opposite now of everything you said. The new republican party is about nothing but big government, fraud, and corruption, and big bussiness.
I can't disagree with you there. Both parties have moved so far off their platforms and so far away from center, that it nauseates me. But writing in Mickey Mouse isn't going to do any good either. We need a 3rd party, but I don't see that happening anytime in the near future.

The entire situation depresses me.

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You sound more third party to me. Have you considered voting outside Republican/Democrat?
I've been a registered Independent for almost 10 years now. I used to be a Democrat. Then I got disgusted and changed my party affiliation to Republican. But I was equally as disgusted. The problem is, there's no third party with any political clout. Maybe the Liberterians some day...
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:48 PM
 
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I want my tax money to go to social projects like our light rail system to be expanded, Pennsylvania's old bridges to be repaired, and other projects. This in return would provide many jobs for the vets coming home.

BUT THIS IS SOCIALISM!
Yep give me that old time Socialism,

If it was good enough for the Hoover Dam

If it was good enough for the Hoover Dam

If it was good enough for the Hoover Dam

It's good enough for me.


If it brought light to the Tennessee Valley

If it brought light to the Tennessee Valley

If it brought light to the Tennessee Valley

It's good enough for me.


If it was good enough of for the Interstate

If it was good enough of for the Interstate

If it was good enough of for the Interstate

It's good enough for me.



If it was good enough for NASA

If it was good enough for NASA

If it was good enough for NASA

It's good enough for me



Give me that Ole Time Socialism

Give me that Ole TIme Socialism

Give me that Ole Time Socialism

It's good enough for me!
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:53 PM
 
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^I don't know if you are joking or not.

But ever notice that socialistic european countries are way ahead on us in transportation, environmental, technology, and much more.

We use to be great at big social projects. Like landing a man on the moon. Now we can't even do that. I agree that in a capatilistic market things progress faster with competition. But lately it hasn't been that way. It is just greed, walmart, and cheap crap from china.
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Old 10-30-2008, 03:00 PM
 
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^I don't know if you are joking or not.

But ever notice that socialistic european countries are way ahead on us in transportation, environmental, technology, and much more.

We use to be great at big social projects. Like landing a man on the moon. Now we can't even do that. I agree that in a capatilistic market things progress faster with competition. But lately it hasn't been that way. It is just greed, walmart, and cheap crap from china.
And they aren't even socialist countries. They are "social democracies." Imagine that! Countries where people participate in free elections, where people buy and sell their own businesses, where the air and water is cleaner than in the U.S., where people have access to health care, etc. And they're still capitalist and free! Wow. What a concept.

Even so . . . Obama is much more conservative than the leaders in these countries. He's a free-market, fiscal conservative. BUT: He does have an emotional and political investment in the rebuilding of infrastructure, the infusion of excellence into the schools, etc. And that's a good thing.
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