Obama; We will bankrupt them (Congress, security, thoughts, democratic)

[paperhouse]

SFGate: Politics Blog : Lies, Half Truths and Contradictions: Chronicle ''Hidden'' Audio on Obama

[MovingForward]

Originally Posted by paperhouse

SFGate: Politics Blog : Lies, Half Truths and Contradictions: Chronicle ''Hidden'' Audio on Obama

Why am I not surprised? Sanrene posts whatever half-truths she can conjure up, from one hour to the next.

[WinterinAmerica]

Poor ole Sanrene,

Pulled in by another McCain/Palin Super lie to save our collective asses, and once again left holding the bag.

Dude, wake up, research your nutty thread ideas or at least wait for the dust to settle so that you don't look like a habitual fool.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by MovingForward

Fact: There is no such thing as "clean coal."

Fact: Coal mining as it currently exists is the most destructive energy industry that exists.

Fact: Half the power you are using to read this was generated by coal, coal is the cornerstone of this nations energy a supply whether you like it or not. The reason is simple, its cheap.

You wanna save the environment? do us favor and get off the computer, turn your lights off, turn the TV off, etc.

John McCain Proposes A Cap-And-Trade System That Would Set Limits On Greenhouse Gas Emissions While Encouraging The Development Of Low-Cost Compliance Options.

True however his policy is much less restrictive than Obamas plus he isn't aiming to power this country with unproven technology.

What the Republican standard-bearer has talked about most and would presumably make his top priorities are drilling for oil in U.S. coastal waters and moving to bring 45 more nuclear power plants online by 2030.

Moreover, to achieve both goals, McCain would rely heavily on the private sector and on technologies that already exist -- not on things that still must be invented or undergo extensive development.

Not only is Obama's plan going to increase energy costs across the board but it's debatable as to whether it can be done on the timetable he wants.

[MovingForward]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

Fact: Half the power you are using to read this was generated by coal, coal is the cornerstone of this nations energy a supply whether you like it or not. The reason is simple, its cheap.

You wanna save the environment? do us favor and get off the computer, turn your lights off, turn the TV off, etc.

True however his policy is much less restrictive than Obamas plus he isn't aiming to power this country with unproven technology.



Not only is Obama's plan going to increase energy costs across the board but it's debatable as to whether it can be done on the timetable he wants.

Yeah, we know that half our power is generated by coal. And it needs to stop. It's ruining the planet.

As far as technology: There are many, many proven technologies that simply haven't been given a chance for implementation.

Like or not, we CANNOT continue to rely on coal or oil or natural gas as our primary sources of energy. The planet is dying. Many scientists are concerned that depleting underground sources is creating dangerous imbalance in the planet's structure. The planet is a living organism, it's not just some object hanging in space, full of "stuff" for humans to consumed until it's all gone. The planet has evolved over a very, very long time to a point where it's structure--on all levels-- is able to support life. For us to continue to deplete it of sources which may turn out to be what actually keeps it in balance is the very height of idiotic hubris. For the sake of our children, and their children, we can no longer afford--for reasons of economics or otherwise--to continue on this path. If we do, they will pay an enormous price for our blindness.

[teatime]

Wow, this IS turning into a Jimmy Carter flashback. My dad was a steelworker and he complained mightily about how the EPA regs and fines were helping to bankrupt the steel mills in the '80s. But the Blue States don't learn, do they? They'll vote and cheer for the black Jimmy Carter and then blame the whole country when more industry closes down.

[Okiegirlfriend]

I have a better idea. Remember the old song, Freeze A Yankee! Sounds like a good idea to me! And I'm a little bit Yankee. Remember Global Warming is the biggest scam of the century!

Freeze A Yankee,
drive 75 and freeze them alive
Freeze a Yankee,
Let your thermostat rise and give them a surprise.

Governor Briscoe promised us
that if any damn Yankee raised a fuss,
He’d turn off the gas, cut the oil,
and let them all freeze and boil.

They don’t want an oil rig
around their seashores,
Lord, it’s a terrible sight.
And don’t you try to drill
in their dirty old water
if you do you’re in for a fight.

Senator Kennedy told me himself
That he wouldn’t let a drill
on the continental shelf.
So, when they tried to get
Texas to drill another well
We could tell them all to go to ……
Hyannis port.

Now, President Carter was a good ole boy,
A southerner thru and thru,
But when he asked
all American’s to sacrifice,
He really meant …you know who.

He want’s all our oils
And our nuclear fuels
What does he take us for?
Silly fools?

Freeze A Yankee,
drive 75 and freeze them alive
Freeze a Yankee,
Let your thermostat rise and give them a surprise.

Governor Briscoe promised us
that if any damn Yankee raised a fuss,
He’d turn off the gas, cut the oil,
and let them all freeze and boil.

Cram them Yankee’s in little bitty cars
While we drive around in limousines.
There ain’t nothing in the world any more fun,
Then pumpin’ gas in those big Mochines.

Us Texan’s love our Cadillac’s,
Big Continental’s and Pontiac’s.
We’re gonna keep all the gas we can make
And let them Yankee’s shiver and shake.

Well, them Yankee’s say they need our oil
And they gotta have gasoline,
But don’t you put no refineries way up north,
They wanna keep their air real clean.

They only got enough Ignite
To last until midnight.
Not enough fuel
to keep their mirrors cool.

Freeze A Yankee,
drive 75 and freeze them alive
Freeze a Yankee,
Let your thermostat rise and give them a surprise.

Governor Briscoe promised us
that if any damn Yankee raised a fuss,
He’d turn off the gas, cut the oil,
and let them all freeze and boil.

Save your confederate credit card,
The south wanna rise again

[varangian]

Funny song, but I will point out that the South doesn't control where most of the oil comes in anymore. That comes over the Canadian border now.

[dixiegirl7]

Originally Posted by motoracer51

Great. Keep flapping your lips.

Hopefully that comment cost him PA, CO, and any other state that produces coal.

Like Ohio, Virginia,... at least Kentucky and West Virginia weren't fooled by this charlatan to begin with. Too bad these coal producing states were not aware of his intentions to bankrupt them before now.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by paperhouse

SFGate: Politics Blog : Lies, Half Truths and Contradictions: Chronicle ''Hidden'' Audio on Obama

The original article that was published makes no mention of any of the statements made during this interview. I'd imagine publishing that his energy plan was going to cause "electricity to skyrocket" or that it would bankrupt an industry that supplies 50% of the energy this country requires is a pretty significant statement?

Originally Posted by MovingForward

As far as technology: There are many, many proven technologies that simply haven't been given a chance for implementation.

Such as? Do you have an example that can compete with coal? There's a simple fact about the energy industry, if it can be cheaply produced it's going to be done. If there was a technology that could compete with coal then they would use it. The current crop of green energy plants like solar are only feasible because they are heavily subsidized by the government.

Many scientists are concerned that depleting underground sources is creating dangerous imbalance in the planet's structure. The planet is a living organism, it's not just some object hanging in space, full of "stuff" for humans to consumed until it's all gone. The planet has evolved over a very, very long time to a point where it's structure--on all levels-- is able to support life. For us to continue to deplete it of sources which may turn out to be what actually keeps it in balance is the very height of idiotic hubris.

I've heard many statements regarding coal regarding the environmental impacts and some of them quite legitimate but that has got to be the craziest thing I have ever heard.

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The bottom line is this, coal powers this country and it cannot be replaced overnight. Any legislation from any party that imposes strict gudelines such as the ones outlined by Obama will at the very least have a large impact on low income families as they will be the ones least able to afford it. People are having trouble paying their heating bills now. The transition to clean energy whether needed or not can be done but it has to be done prudently especially considering the energy situation now.

Here's an idea, lets tax the hell out of people using more energy that they need. We can start with the environmentalist poster boy Al Gore and his 10,000 square foot mansion that consumes 12X the amount of energy than your average American home. You don't hear that in the news do you?

Remember when the Democrats say "We need to sacrifice." they actually mean "You need to Sacrifice".