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Old 11-05-2008, 01:36 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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There was a very distinct difference in the McCain crowd and the Obama crowd last night. This is very indicative of the overall sentiments and general outlook of each side.

The McCain crowd was very homogenous: mostly White; very austere, straight laced if not rigid. When McCain was giving his speech (which I thought was very classy on his part; the crowd would boo at the mention of Obama’s name. There were even a few boos at the mention of Palin’s name, which I found very interesting. Not very gracious; actually quite disgusting.

By contrast, Obama’s crowd gave McCain the respect that is deserving of someone in his position. There was applause for Obama’s mention of his efforts as a presidential candidate, as well as, the acknowledgement of his service to this nation. That is the spirit of America

The McCain crowd, to the chagrin of McCain himself, seemed very bitter and cynical. Their attitude actually was one of the main reasons that McCain lost (and he knows it). The tendency for the Republican base to be exclusionary, judgmental and clannish (in the general sense of the word) have led the Rep party to this point.

I felt a bit sad for McCain. Even though I didn’t vote for him, I think the limitations of his party did not give the opportunity to be a truly formidable candidate. He was not allowed to be a “Maverick” and he didn’t demand to run his campaign his way. His voice was not string enough to fight the powers that be in the Rep hierarchy. He was in a catch 22.


At any rate, I just wanted McCain supporters who were extremely nasty in their rhetoric (and some who continue to be) that YOU are the reason that McCain did not win. You are the reason that America closed their ears and tuned out the faint sound of his message.
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:45 PM
 
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There are a lot of posters on this board who exactly fit the description you just laid out.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:30 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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There are a lot of posters on this board who exactly fit the description you just laid out.
Many of McCain's supporters are afraid to take responsibility for THEIR part in McCain losing. They will continue, however, to blame his loss on Liberals, Socialists, Terrorists, the media and on and on.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:37 PM
 
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I'm waiting patiently for the irony posts to follow.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:26 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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During his (awesome, honorable) concession speech, I began to feel a twinge of regret at not voting for such a great American. Then he mentioned Obama, then he got booed...and then I remembered why I didn't vote for his party. I do feel really bad for him though. I was always convinced the real McCain was still in there, but that he felt he had to be uber right wing to appeal to the base. I wasn't voting against him, but against his party. The Republicans had to go. I'm overjoyed ( and so is he, I reckon) that he's back to his old maverick self

I think if he'd just been himself he would have gotten more votes from independents, but then the base wouldn't have turned out, and while the election would have been closer, he still would have lost. I've said before...the GOP didn't deserve to have him as their nominee. If I were him I'd join Lieberman and go independent at the next Senate session. What's he got to lose? The GOP screwed him over anyway.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Very good post OP.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:37 PM
 
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During his (awesome, honorable) concession speech, I began to feel a twinge of regret at not voting for such a great American. Then he mentioned Obama, then he got booed...and then I remembered why I didn't vote for his party. I do feel really bad for him though. I was always convinced the real McCain was still in there, but that he felt he had to be uber right wing to appeal to the base. I wasn't voting against him, but against his party. The Republicans had to go. I'm overjoyed ( and so is he, I reckon) that he's back to his old maverick self

I think if he'd just been himself he would have gotten more votes from independents, but then the base wouldn't have turned out, and while the election would have been closer, he still would have lost. I've said before...the GOP didn't deserve to have him as their nominee. If I were him I'd join Lieberman and go independent at the next Senate session. What's he got to lose? The GOP screwed him over anyway.
I agree with you. He should go Independent. Reading a lot on this forum I am horrified with all the hatred in your Country. Some people actually need mental help I think. So Cruel. Actually some sound like the old hags in a bingo hall that live and breath gossip and live on rumors and want to see something terrible happen just so they can lay blame. Man I'm glad I'm not American as these people give a bad name to all American. Someone had to win this election and someone had to loss. Some of the people on this forum need to grow up and move towards the future. Your stuck in the past.
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:53 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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During his (awesome, honorable) concession speech, I began to feel a twinge of regret at not voting for such a great American. Then he mentioned Obama, then he got booed...and then I remembered why I didn't vote for his party. I do feel really bad for him though. I was always convinced the real McCain was still in there, but that he felt he had to be uber right wing to appeal to the base. I wasn't voting against him, but against his party. The Republicans had to go. I'm overjoyed ( and so is he, I reckon) that he's back to his old maverick self

I think if he'd just been himself he would have gotten more votes from independents, but then the base wouldn't have turned out, and while the election would have been closer, he still would have lost. I've said before...the GOP didn't deserve to have him as their nominee. If I were him I'd join Lieberman and go independent at the next Senate session. What's he got to lose? The GOP screwed him over anyway.
I felt the exact same way. I felt his embarassment at having to bait down the booing at the mention of Obama's name.

My personal opinion is that in McCain's quest for the White House, he went against his instincts and natural inclination in order to get the support of the Republican base. Had McCain followed his true path and direction this race would have been much closer.

Watching McCain campaign was like looking at a beautiful purebred dog in a cage at the dog pound doing any and every undignified thing to get attention and picked.

Even though I didn't vote for him or agree with his take on politics, he has earned(through many years of service in the political arena) the right to take a higher seat. It was just really sad to see that someone of his spirit had to lower himself to the lowest common denominator within the Rep base.

McCain sold out(to the far right kooks), bet big and took a huge, stupid, short-sighted gamble(with Palin) and lost. He knows it and I felt it during his speech.

The Rep base has deteriorated into the most backwards and far right group. If the moderates within the Rep do not take control immediately, there will be more of the same to come. Sad.
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