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Old 12-11-2011, 01:52 AM
 
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Although it seems to me 'Homo Russian' would be more accurate. Anyway, a fairly balanced and accurate state of Russia past and present:
Russia: The long life of Homo sovieticus | The Economist
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Old 12-11-2011, 03:21 AM
 
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Although it seems to me 'Homo Russian' would be more accurate. Anyway, a fairly balanced and accurate state of Russia past and present:
Russia: The long life of Homo sovieticus | The Economist
I can't wait for Homo americanus.
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Old 12-11-2011, 12:52 PM
 
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Although it seems to me 'Homo Russian' would be more accurate. Anyway, a fairly balanced and accurate state of Russia past and present:
Russia: The long life of Homo sovieticus | The Economist
Written in the best traditions of American propaganda; conveniently avoids any mentioning of American involvement in disastrous events of post-Soviet period. Brings the positive outlook on criminals who promoted the US interests in post-Soviet Russia ( namely Gaidar) and refuses to acknowledge the justification of anti-western sentiment among Russians that became very instrumental for support of Putin's regime.
Job well-done.

( Sorry can't write more now, since I am watching closely the outcome of Russian elections.)
Poka.
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Old 12-11-2011, 07:44 PM
 
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The Economist is British, not American; thus, to call it American propaganda would be a mistake.
You will have to fill me in on the "American involvement in disastrous events of post-Soviet period"; are you claiming that the former Soviets weren't complicit in said events? Just as it says in the article: Find someone else to blame. This is the typical way of dealing with problems here in Russia. It is very difficult to find someone to take responsibility for anything. Wouldn't you concur?
Even Putin himself has tried to blame Hillary Clinton for her part in inciting the post-election protests.
I have a feeling you don't live in Russia, erasure, or haven't been here for a long time.
The article is very well written and researched, and you automatically claim it's American propaganda; I wonder if you even read it?
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Old 12-11-2011, 10:07 PM
 
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The Economist is British, not American; thus, to call it American propaganda would be a mistake.
You will have to fill me in on the "American involvement in disastrous events of post-Soviet period"; are you claiming that the former Soviets weren't complicit in said events? Just as it says in the article: Find someone else to blame. This is the typical way of dealing with problems here in Russia. It is very difficult to find someone to take responsibility for anything. Wouldn't you concur?
Even Putin himself has tried to blame Hillary Clinton for her part in inciting the post-election protests.
I have a feeling you don't live in Russia, erasure, or haven't been here for a long time.
The article is very well written and researched, and you automatically claim it's American propaganda; I wonder if you even read it?
I did, I did read it and sorry it did sound to me ( a lot) like many other "well-written and researched" articles I've read on US sites, that's why I've dubbed it as "American propaganda." Same train of thought.
Of course former Soviets were active participants in said events. But they wouldn't have accomplished half of what they've accomplished, if not for the help of "Western friends." Overall this class of New Russians, as evil as it is, was created with the direct help of Western banking system.
In order to not to repeat myself, I'll give you links to my previous posts ( and some other links) that I've posted earlier on this subject if you don't mind;

http://www.city-data.com/forum/world...l#post21452474

http://www.city-data.com/forum/world...l#post21184803

A Holy-****-o-gram from Moscow.A Holy-****-o-gram from Moscow.

The Harvard Boys Do Russia | The Nation

Commanding Heights : Grigory Yavlinsky | on PBS


So if I would have to pinpoint "who there is to blame" for the current situation in Russia, I'd point at these particular circumstances that took place around that time. The rest is the direct consequences of it.
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Old 12-12-2011, 01:50 AM
 
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Having scanned the article, I conclude that it is neither as good as jeffpv thinks, nor as bad as erasure thinks. Maybe I'll read it in more detail and expand on it later. For now, just a couple of thoughts.

1. If it does not mention Western involvement in Russia's 1990s disaster, that's just par for the course for The Economist and other publications of that ilk. Let's bear in mind that state socialism collapsed at a moment of "market triumphalism" (the late 1980s). Western advisers pushed radical free-market "shock therapy" on Eastern Europe of a type that had never existed in the developed capitalist countries. From the point of view of the advisers (and their journalistic outlets like The Economist, WSJ, and FT), the free market can never be wrong. Consequently, if disaster occurs, it must be because the Russians implemented things in the wrong way. (There's an echo here of the common complaint of Western leftists: "Hey, communism wasn't a bad idea; it was just never really tried!")

2. Russia as a locus for "Homo Sovieticus": The factors described are not unique to Russia. Every post-communist country has to deal with these things to some extent. In fact, almost every former USSR republic has these problems at least as bad as Russia does, and in many cases worse. It's really part of the common legacy of Communist rule.
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Old 12-12-2011, 10:23 PM
 
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Vladimir Putin, Democracy, and Activism in Russia : The New Yorker

This is another well-written piece.
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:55 PM
 
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Having scanned the article, I conclude that it is neither as good as jeffpv thinks, nor as bad as erasure thinks. Maybe I'll read it in more detail and expand on it later. For now, just a couple of thoughts.
No, it's not that bad Josef - I've read much worse)))
It's just that the important part is going amiss in this article, as usual.
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:35 AM
 
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Putin was against the invasion of Iraq, Afganistan, Lybia. He has a veto power in the UN. He has stopped the plundering of Russian resources that Yeltsin allowed. He has refused to be a puppet for the west.

No surprise that corporate run western governments use their corporate media as a tool in the fight against him.

Here is a great article about the reasons for anti-Putin western propaganda:

Washington’s “Fifth Column” in Russia
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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Another great article about a soft war against Russia, using NGO's, media and education to change Russian culture:

This war was not only waged against communism, but against Russia, as Brzezinski’s direct statements testified: “We destroyed the USSR, we will also destroy Russia.” “Russia is a dispensable state, anyway.” “The orthodoxy is the main enemy of America. Russia is a defeated country. It will be divided and put under guardianship.”8

Soft Power – the USA’s Cultural War against Russia, 1991 – 2010
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