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Old 11-30-2013, 04:25 PM
 
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How exactly should we treat them to show that they are equals?

Who, me?
I don't care. I lived for too long in the West and became too cynical and pragmatic to care about such things. It was Moscovite who was questioning this whole situation, and I can still understand where he is coming from (the understanding is kept somewhere in the remote corner of my head,) but overall I don't care. You can keep on talking about Germany and US all you want, ( since they are big countries as you've said and that's where the generation of money is coming from) - it don't matter to me.
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Old 12-02-2013, 03:49 AM
 
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HockeyAndRugby

Ok, my idea about actors might be silly. But why the EU can't donate some educational programs on TV about Latvia or Lithuania?

Free society doesn't mean American society. In Europe ocrhestras, museums and such other things are state sponsored.

Just do several programs about Baltic countries, about their culture, history and so on.
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Old 12-02-2013, 04:11 AM
 
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In Europe ocrhestras, museums and such other things are state sponsored.
I guess most countries also have state sponsored TV stations, which will get some money from the EU.
But it's frightening what they are showing here in Austria on ORF in general. I guess the news shows are okay-ish, but otherwise they are just buying crappy American/German sitcoms. A waste of taxes. At least there is an upwards trend... They now screen House of Cards (which is really awesome in my opinion) at 23:15 on Wednesday nights... Yay!

Sadly enough, the only high quality TV station is sponsored/run by Red Bull. Awesome documentaries, high quality movies, ... They actually show stuff about Eastern Europe as well (granted, they focus on our neighbors... Slovenia, Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic).

Today's program:

Base Jumping in China (probably with athletes sponsored by Red Bull)
Documentary about the Dogon people from Mali
Breakfast television: News from Austria, South Tyrol and Bavaria
Documentary about the Bahamas
Early Christian culture in Europe: With bits about the Eastern Churches
Documentary about the Danube Delta.
Report on some traditional stuff from Styria
Documentary about a family from Carinthia/Slovenia and their struggles during the Socialist times.
And so on...

Our state sponsored TV station opened up with four episodes of the Simpsons from the 90's. So it's not only that they don't show stuff about Eastern Europe, they only show crap in general. And German private television is even worse...
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Old 12-02-2013, 04:34 AM
 
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viribusunitis

Thanks, interesting. I didn't have much time to watch TV during my visits to Europe, but German and Austrian TV was so-so. It's Italian TV that I found the most boring.

In Russia we have the "Culture" channel that sometimes translates opera, classical music concerts and so on. It also translates "Schätze die Welt" by SWR, BBC educational films and so on. It has no commercial adds.
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Old 12-02-2013, 02:42 PM
 
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But why the EU can't donate some educational programs on TV about Latvia or Lithuania?
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Just do several programs about Baltic countries, about their culture, history and so on.
I am reading this and thinking: NO. The EU should not ever determine what we view. Not ever.
Why shpuld we do programs about Baltic states? Why? There are other countries, like Iceland, Bulgaria and so many others that do not get exposure. Why should the Baltic states get exposure when others do not get exposure?
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Old 12-02-2013, 05:09 PM
 
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I am reading this and thinking: NO. The EU should not ever determine what we view. Not ever.
EU can't "determine" what you are viewing or not. EU can offer such programs for those who might be interested watching them. Those who are not, can always switch to another channel. To "determine" means you have three channels and all three are showing the same crap. That's what means to "determine" good old Soviet style.


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Why shpuld we do programs about Baltic states? Why? There are other countries, like Iceland, Bulgaria and so many others that do not get exposure. Why should the Baltic states get exposure when others do not get exposure?
All former Eastern block countries need exposure, but Baltic states in particular, because they were part of the Soviet Union. You need to understand that Russian intelligentsia ( the best part of it) wishes them well and want them to succeed, because enough of people understand, for example, that plenty of Ukrainians don't want anything to do with PUTIN's Russia, Putin's Russia in particular, not Russia in general. If Russia would have had different ( and decent) government, the voice of Ukrainian nationalists would have been easily squashed. Russian intelligentsia ( just to let you know) is precisely the class that gave the world the writers, scientists and musicians - the very class that the West was courting during the Cold War, and the very class that has been so thrifty betrayed by the US soon after. Many of them didn't realize it still, and are still looking at the West as the source of everything positive; that's why Moscovite is asking you how come EU can't be more inclusive of the Balts, and why are they still forced to be dependent on Russia economically ( and where economy is involved, there follow the politics.) As I've said, Russians have their own shortcomings, but hypocrisy is not one of them.
Pro-Putin's crowd is watching all these events with glee - part of them because their worst fears towards the West were affirmed in the nineties, and part of them because they are mean-spirited people period. For them Putin is the man, who knows how to deal with the West in the right manner. The more the events are progressing, I can only say that Yeltzin is the Russian leader that the West wishes it would still had, and Putin is the leader that the West most likely deserves.
So I hope you can understand better now where Moscovite is coming from with his suggestions, as for me - I'm getting more pop-corn to watch the events in Syria, Iran, Ukraine and the rest. I suspect things are going to get much worse before they'll get any better.
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Old 12-02-2013, 07:27 PM
 
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EU can offer such programs for those who might be interested watching them.
The EU paying for programs that are available means that they think we should watch something and thus determine what we watch. They cannot yet force us to watch it. Yet.



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and why are they still forced to be dependent on Russia economically ( and where economy is involved, there follow the politics.)
Oh yes, because of few media articles and some EU paid for tv programs makes all EU citizens buy Baltic products. Yes, that is how it works.
I guess that we buy so much Japanese stuff and Korean stuff and Taiwanese stuff and Chinese stuff because we first had a media offensive and then everyone wanted to buy the products. It probably had nothing to do with economic laws.
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Old 12-03-2013, 04:13 AM
 
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HockeyAndRugby

It may increase the number of tourists in these countries. So, more tourists will go there and spend their money.

At last people in Europe will learn the difference between Lithuania and Romania and that there are no gypsies in Lithuania.
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:52 AM
 
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@Muscovite, you still do not explain why there should be more exposure on baltic countries but not on say Slovakia, or Slovenia of Poland. Why should only the Baltic states get more exposure?
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:58 AM
 
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I mentioned Baltic countries only as an example, because Magnus mentioned them. All Eastern European countries may be more exposured.
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