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Old 04-10-2018, 05:53 PM
DKM
 
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Putin is so scared in Syria that he let Turkey take an entire province which was under Russian protection. He just turned a blind eye yesterday when Israel destroyed an Iranian base. If Russia was strong at all, they would tell the US that they will protect Syria from attack. No such words are being said, no such actions are occurring.

if there are any subs in the area, the destroyer is tracking them. Do your own research why destroyers are a submarine's nightmare. Start with looking up the advantages a ship gets with active sonar.
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Old 04-10-2018, 06:19 PM
 
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When russian troops take off Syria? Missiles and airstrikes gonna be in few hours. They still have a chance to be alive.
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Old 04-10-2018, 06:19 PM
 
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Putin is so scared in Syria that he let Turkey take an entire province which was under Russian protection. He just turned a blind eye yesterday when Israel destroyed an Iranian base. If Russia was strong at all, they would tell the US that they will protect Syria from attack. No such words are being said, no such actions are occurring.

if there are any subs in the area, the destroyer is tracking them. Do your own research why destroyers are a submarine's nightmare. Start with looking up the advantages a ship gets with active sonar.
You're amazing. Do you even know how sonar works? Radars? In most situations an active sonar or radar invites your destruction. Go out into a dark field some night with a flashlight. Turn on the light and shine it around. How far can you see? 5 10 meters. Now how far away can someone see you waving that flashlight around?

Don't hurt youself now.

Electronic and Sonic warfare are far more about observing and listening than shouting and waving lights around. If you rely on the latter you will soon pay for it.

As for Russia actions are being taken. Lets hope the US and the usual lackeys are not as stupid as they seem. maybe sane heads will prevail.
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Old 04-10-2018, 06:19 PM
 
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Putin is so scared in Syria that he let Turkey take an entire province which was under Russian protection. He just turned a blind eye yesterday when Israel destroyed an Iranian base. If Russia was strong at all, they would tell the US that they will protect Syria from attack. No such words are being said, no such actions are occurring.

if there are any subs in the area, the destroyer is tracking them. Do your own research why destroyers are a submarine's nightmare. Start with looking up the advantages a ship gets with active sonar.
Russia has the second strongest army in the world, so it could definitely take on Turkey and Israel in a conventional war, but the Syrian debacle has become a true quagmire that it's hard to keep track of anything. There are at the very least 1000 different factions operating there, under different banners.

Deep down, I think Putin is aware of the fact that his buddy in Syria is launching chemical attacks, so he's trying to somewhat downplay those events because he's afraid of a blow back. There was a time when both Russia and Iran were saying that the terrorist attacks across Europe were the result of Western interference in Syria, but then they both suffered attacks of their own, so they toned down their rhetoric.

Putin probably doesn't want to jeopardize relations with Israel either as that country has a huge immigrant community that came from the SU/Russia. He's also bbeen trying to get Turkey away from NATO's sphere of influence (even if it is a member state), so he likely wants to appease their desire for revenge against Kurds. The fact that Kurds were being armed by the US is likely to be another reason why.
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Old 04-10-2018, 06:28 PM
 
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Trump promised to attack Syria. I hope he will not hit Russian bases or places of deployment of Russian military. Because this will be beginning of the war.
Putin regime hates humanity and human right for life. Even for own citizens.
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Old 04-10-2018, 07:19 PM
 
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Russia has the second strongest army in the world, so it could definitely take on Turkey and Israel in a conventional war, but the Syrian debacle has become a true quagmire that it's hard to keep track of anything. There are at the very least 1000 different factions operating there, under different banners.

Deep down, I think Putin is aware of the fact that his buddy in Syria is launching chemical attacks, so he's trying to somewhat downplay those events because he's afraid of a blow back. There was a time when both Russia and Iran were saying that the terrorist attacks across Europe were the result of Western interference in Syria, but then they both suffered attacks of their own, so they toned down their rhetoric.

Putin probably doesn't want to jeopardize relations with Israel either as that country has a huge immigrant community that came from the SU/Russia. He's also bbeen trying to get Turkey away from NATO's sphere of influence (even if it is a member state), so he likely wants to appease their desire for revenge against Kurds. The fact that Kurds were being armed by the US is likely to be another reason why.

Milky I cannot believe that you actually believe in the latest chemical attack narrative.......that would mean that Assad is the most stupid man in the world....and he is clearly not...
I agree that you have to maneuver very carefully given the maze of relationships in the area...Russia trying to take Turkey away from NATO orbit (something our friend DKM totally ignore), its decent relationship with Israel....however an attack on Syria, especially on such obviously false pretense, would literally put Putin with his back on the wall.....not reacting would mean losing credibility completely in the eyes of current and future allies....hopefully there will not be any attack or a staged one in a stretch of desert to allow anybody to save face....few missiles without any intention to take Assad down or destroy its air force.
Reports from Politico.com mention that Mattis is very reluctant to actually launch an attack.....if, unfortunately, a clash is actually going to happen involving UK, Us, France (and maybe also Israel) planes Putin will probably want to adopt a strategy of "divide et rule" striking hard the weakest member of such coalition (UK or France)...give a bloody nose to Macron and he will run for cover with a baguette under his armpit...
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Old 04-10-2018, 07:41 PM
 
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If there was an actual chemical munition used in this attack, it bears a striking similarity to the one carried out in E. Ghouta in 2013, the 2017 incident at Khan Shaykuhn, and the scenario recently put forward by Chief of the Russian General Staff Valery Gerasimov as discovered during raids in E. Ghouta. Women, children, and the elderly had been rounded up by the rebels to be subjected to the manual detonation of a chemical weapons munition on the ground AFTER an extensive aerial bombing campaign by the Syrian government. That's why one sees very few adult male victims, if any, in the videos, and the incident report by SOHR excluded any mention of chemical weapons casualties. It's highly unusual that the White Helmets and SOHR can't synch their stories as they're both funded by the same governments to support the same terrorist groups.
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Old 04-10-2018, 07:51 PM
 
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Apparently, Sergei Skripal was personally involved in the trafficking of chemical weapons material and processing equipment to Syria for the British government. The Russian government had been tracking his activities. That is one scenario as to why the British government suspected the Russian government had him killed. There are a number of other individuals doing the same WMD work for the US, UK, France, and Israel that we don't hear about.

His poisoning case is similar to Kim Jong-Nam where the use of highly toxic nerve agents was claimed. Both poisonings were essentially isolated to the targeted individual. All of the governments on both sides of the issue could've been involved.

Oh, so he didn't live a "quiet life" blah-blah somewhere in Solsbery as it has been initially presented?
Then at least things would have started making more sense, why Russians wanted to eliminate him.
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Old 04-10-2018, 08:05 PM
 
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Oh, so he didn't live a "quiet life" blah-blah somewhere in Solsbery as it has been initially presented?
Then at least things would have started making more sense, why Russians wanted to eliminate him.
It would support the conspiracy theory put forth by the May government.

The explanation creates a motive where there was none before. It explains why the early Russian reaction was that he was accidentally exposed outside of the highly secure labs in Porton Down.

It would also make sense to create a weakened version of chemical nerve gas if you're going to intentionally expose civilians to it for show but not actually cause casualties or pose a risk to the White Helmets who would be handling them. Hence, he and his daughter may not have been in mortal danger from exposure.
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Old 04-10-2018, 08:09 PM
 
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Milky I cannot believe that you actually believe in the latest chemical attack narrative.......that would mean that Assad is the most stupid man in the world....and he is clearly not...
I agree that you have to maneuver very carefully given the maze of relationships in the area...Russia trying to take Turkey away from NATO orbit (something our friend DKM totally ignore), its decent relationship with Israel....however an attack on Syria, especially on such obviously false pretense, would literally put Putin with his back on the wall.....not reacting would mean losing credibility completely in the eyes of current and future allies....hopefully there will not be any attack or a staged one in a stretch of desert to allow anybody to save face....few missiles without any intention to take Assad down or destroy its air force.
Reports from Politico.com mention that Mattis is very reluctant to actually launch an attack.....if, unfortunately, a clash is actually going to happen involving UK, Us, France (and maybe also Israel) planes Putin will probably want to adopt a strategy of "divide et rule" striking hard the weakest member of such coalition (UK or France)...give a bloody nose to Macron and he will run for cover with a baguette under his armpit...
Assad doesn't necessarily have to be dumb. He is likely paranoid at this point. Just because I believe that Assad's regime is behind chemical attacks, doesn't mean that the rebels haven't conducted their own ones as well. In all honesty, I think that both actors have committed atrocities. There are some truly vile people among the FSA, al-Nusra...

Russia and Israel have been able to cultivate somewhat friendly relationships, in part due to the population.Nevertheless, they have often been on opposite ends in many conflicts, since the Soviets were supplying Arab regimes in the past.

Another thing to consider is that the UK, France and Israel are all highly industrialized nuclear powers that can pack quite a punch. They may not be on the same level as the US or Russia, but are formidable in their own way.

I also believe that the Kurds deserve to have their own state as they are neither Arabs, Turks or Persians, but that would involve cutting up portions of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey to create a new nation, which is why that move is opposed by such governments.

the US and Russia are being held hostage by Saudi Arabia and Iran respectively, though they have their own interests in the region. Iran is just as dangerous as Saudi Arabia as we can say due to the prevalence of Shia militants. During much of the Iraq War, the US and UK were fighting such groups armed by that state. In all honesty, the US and Russia should distance themselves from these nations ASAP, if they want to help out the situation.
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