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Old 03-05-2015, 12:38 PM
 
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I am going to a recruitment event for a software company based in Berlin.
The most common complaint on the glassdoor review is that it pays a bad salary, "even for Berlin."
Unfortunately glassdoor does not have any more info about the salaries for this company.

What does this mean, exactly? 3000 euros a month? 5000? 1200? I don't have a good idea.
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:53 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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It probably means it doesn't pay enough for employees to live a moderately-comfortable lifestyle. It may mean you'll have to live in a shabby Soviet-era apt. building.
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Old 03-05-2015, 01:01 PM
 
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did you study programming? if so and you don't have much experience, a income between 41.000 Euro and 47.000 Euro per year is normal.
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Old 03-05-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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I have a math and CS degree and have been a programmer for a long time.
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Old 03-05-2015, 01:25 PM
 
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Glassdoor generally has information on American companies. There is little if any useful information about European companies. I wouldn't know of an european equivalent either. With the 'shortage of programmers' you could easily pass and find another opportunity.
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Old 03-05-2015, 01:27 PM
 
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well it's a cool job and I'm sort of over my current life pattern.

but if it really pays that badly I guess I should pass. However I don't know what badly means. I suppose I could just say it's Ableton. Not sure why I was being vague about that.
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Old 03-05-2015, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Dayton OH
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Berlin is a relatively inexpensive city to live in, compared to many other big cities in Germany, Netherlands, France, Scandanavia. You can easily get by without owning a car due to a great transit system. Renting a 1 bedroom apartment (known in Germany as a 2 zimmer wohnung) is fairly inexpensive. If you speak German, here is a link that shows over 400 apartments in Berlin renting for under 900 Euro per month. These are 50 to 65 sq meters, which is a common size for 1 br apartments.

Since Berlin is the capital city, it has a large percentage of public sector employees, which are lower salaries than private industry. If the salary is over 4000 Euro per month, you would be earning more than the majority of people in Berlin.

2-Zimmer Wohnung mieten Berlin: 2-Zimmer Wohnungen mieten

Don't forget that most apartment rents are listed as kaltmiete (cold rental), meaning heating costs not included. Normally you pay cold rental base cost plus the additional heating costs for the central water boiler that heats everyone's apartments.

Berlin is one of my favorite cities on the planet. You would not regret taking a job there if it is a good job at a decent salary.
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:15 PM
 
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Berlin is a relatively inexpensive city to live in, compared to many other big cities in Germany, Netherlands, France, Scandanavia. You can easily get by without owning a car due to a great transit system. Renting a 1 bedroom apartment (known in Germany as a 2 zimmer wohnung) is fairly inexpensive. If you speak German, here is a link that shows over 400 apartments in Berlin renting for under 900 Euro per month. These are 50 to 65 sq meters, which is a common size for 1 br apartments.

Since Berlin is the capital city, it has a large percentage of public sector employees, which are lower salaries than private industry. If the salary is over 4000 Euro per month, you would be earning more than the majority of people in Berlin.

2-Zimmer Wohnung mieten Berlin: 2-Zimmer Wohnungen mieten

Don't forget that most apartment rents are listed as kaltmiete (cold rental), meaning heating costs not included. Normally you pay cold rental base cost plus the additional heating costs for the central water boiler that heats everyone's apartments.

Berlin is one of my favorite cities on the planet. You would not regret taking a job there if it is a good job at a decent salary.
50 sq. meters is 150 sq. feet, OP. For a 1-br! That's smaller than the micro-studios in Seattle and San Fran. (Hard to believe there isn't a mistake in the 50-65 sq. meters quoted.) The apts. in the linked site are twice the size or more than what this poster says is common. Just because it's a European gig doesn't mean you want to be there. Caveat emptor.
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:44 PM
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[quote=NewbiePoster;38705650]50 sq. meters is 150 sq. feet, OP. For a 1-br!

How is it even possible to live in something that small that's the size of a small bedroom!
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:50 PM
 
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50 sq. meters is 150 sq. feet, OP. For a 1-br!

How is it even possible to live in something that small that's the size of a small bedroom!
That's why I'm wondering if "recycled" made a mistake. But the link he provided shows (supposedly) 98 sq. m. one-br. apartments that look a lot bigger (fish-eye lens on the camera?? The visuals don't make sense) than just 300 sq. feet.

Anyway, there are micro-studios in NYC that are 50 sq. meters. People build a platform on one side, to support a bed, with a ladder going up to it. The kitchen is in one corner, and there's no bathtub.
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