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I think Brits are proud of it. After all, this is what their "moral" was last 500 years.
The UK's 'moral' this last 500 years has been a FREE Democratic society! Whats Russia's 'moral' been the last 100 years!? Communist dictatorship that has murdered MILLIONS of its own people perhaps?
Intending to commit acts of terrorism or engaging in their preparation is illegal in most countries, as is joining prescribed terrorist organisations.
He admitted to that under force by the government. All the evidence they had pointed to the fact that he was a medic supporting innocent civilians in Donbas.
Meanwhile British citizen go join the Ukrainian military and fight alongside neo-nazis trying to shoot ethnic russians in Donbas.
They are celebrated back in the UK like heroes. That is how twisted your society has become.
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He admitted to that under force by the government. All the evidence they had pointed to the fact that he was a medic supporting innocent civilians in Donbas.
There was no allegations of force and all interviews and evidence is gathered using strict criteria as laid out in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984.
Whilst evidence must be further assessed by the Crown Prosecution Service and must meet prosecution thresholds.
Whilst the Crown Court case would be in front of a Jury of this man's peer's.
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Meanwhile British citizen go join the Ukrainian military and fight alongside neo-nazis trying to shoot ethnic russians in Donbas.
They are celebrated back in the UK like heroes. That is how twisted your society has become.
Nobody is fighting anybody as yet, and no one id being proclaimed a hero.
As for the Ukrainian Army it's not full of Neo-Nazi's, it's full of ordinary people, who don't want there country invaded.
There are very few British involved, indeed I only saw two on the news, and both lived in Ukraine and had families there, and I am sure there are Americans and other nationalities with Ukrainian links who are somehow involved in all of this.
It also should not be forgotten that back in the dark days of the Soviet Union, the Ukrainians were left to intentionally starve (Holodomor), with resources diverted to Mother Russia, as a result at least 3.5 million Ukrainians died between 1932-33.
So it's little wonder that many in Ukraine don't trust the Russians and are ready to take up arms against them.
There was no allegations of force and all interviews and evidence is gathered using strict criteria as laid out in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984.
Whilst evidence must be further assessed by the Crown Prosecution Service and must meet prosecution thresholds.
Whilst the Crown Court case would be in front of a Jury of this man's peer's.
Whatever, the point is they only had evidence he was a medic making the 'terrorism' accusations junk.
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Nobody is fighting anybody as yet, and no one id being proclaimed a hero.
As for the Ukrainian Army it's not full of Neo-Nazi's, it's full of ordinary people, who don't want there country invaded.
There are very few British involved, indeed I only saw two on the news, and both lived in Ukraine and had families there, and I am sure there are Americans and other nationalities with Ukrainian links who are somehow involved in all of this.
It also should not be forgotten that back in the dark days of the Soviet Union, the Ukrainians were left to intentionally starve (Holodomor), with resources diverted to Mother Russia, as a result at least 3.5 million Ukrainians died between 1932-33.
So it's little wonder that many in Ukraine don't trust the Russians and are ready to take up arms against them.
Aslin and other British recruits are fighting alongside Nazis trying to kill ethnic Russians. He is not being prosecuted by the British state, stories like his are celebrated.
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Whatever, the point is they only had evidence he was a medic making the 'terrorism' accusations junk.
"Under British law, an act of terrorism, put most briefly, means resorting to violence, or its threat, to influence a government or people for an ideological cause. Stimson's decision to support a militia attacking a legitimate government therefore fell foul of the law. And that's why he's going to prison with a terrorism legislation criminal record."
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The Asimov battalion is the most aggressive at shooting ethnic Russians. And other neonazi groups have rushed to Ukraine to join different leagues.
Aslin and other British recruits are fighting alongside Nazis trying to kill ethnic Russians. He is not being prosecuted by the British state, stories like his are celebrated.
That is how evil your country has become.
Neo-Nazi groups are usually listed as banned terrorist organisations under British law, and there are a number of prescribed Neo-Nazi terrorist organisations that are listed as being banned.
In terms of the foreigners I have seen being interviewed most are serving with the Ukrainian Army and having nothing to do with such splinter groups, although the group you mention supposedly also has members from Brazil, Italy, France, the United States, Greece, Scandinavia,Spain, Slovakia, Czech Republic and even Russia itself. So this is not merely a UK issue and is more of global issue, which the UN should be highlighting, along with any opposing terrorist groups.
In terms of the Ukrainians they have every right to defend their own country as part of the official Ukrainian Armed Forces however in terms of separate Neo-Nazi organisations the same terrorist laws should apply as to other groups, and Government may wish to act accordingly.
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"Under British law, an act of terrorism, put most briefly, means resorting to violence, or its threat, to influence a government or people for an ideological cause. Stimson's decision to support a militia attacking a legitimate government therefore fell foul of the law. And that's why he's going to prison with a terrorism legislation criminal record."
Yeah, so the charges are slander and junk. He went to save lives from a city under seige by malicious forces while his compatriots fight alongside neo-nazis to kill those innocent civilians.
Who is the real bad guy?
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There's no mention of the group being Neo-Nazi in the article.
However Neo-Nazi groups are usually listed as banned terrorist organisations under British law, and there are a number of prescribed Neo-Nazi terrorist organisations.
In terms of the foreigners I have seen being interviewed most are serving with the Ukrainian Army and having nothing to do with such splinter groups.
In terms of the Ukrainians they have every right to defend their own country.
They fight ALONGSIDE neo-nazis, which is a fact. Meanwhile the people of Donbas are being targeted.
The ethnics Ukrainian overthrew the president THEY voted in by a fair election. Then anti-Russian speaking laws were past and the regions lost their special autonomy. So they said screw it, if you guys can overturn our government by force we can secede.
How do the Ukrainian nationalist respond? By bombing innocent civilians and attempting genocide. Russian intervention stopped that but now Ukraine is once again breaking the Minsk Agreement and trying to kill these people.
And a bunch of brainwashed stupid Brits go to help the hard right nationalists kill ethnic Russians for "Ukrainian independence". Those are the people who should be put away on terrorism charges.
But instead the terrorists are celebrated and the medic trying to save civilians from genocide are branded the terrorists.
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Yeah, so the charges are slander and junk. He went to save lives from a city under seige by malicious forces while his compatriots fight alongside neo-nazis to kill those innocent civilians.
Who is the real bad guy?
He went to fight for a terrorist group.
Ignorance is no excuse in law, and as far as I am concerned he reaped what he sowed.
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They fight ALONGSIDE neo-nazis, which is a fact. Meanwhile the people of Donbas are being targeted.
The ethnics Ukrainian overthrew the president THEY voted in by a fair election. Then anti-Russian speaking laws were past and the regions lost their special autonomy. So they said screw it, if you guys can overturn our government by force we can secede.
How do the Ukrainian nationalist respond? By bombing innocent civilians and attempting genocide. Russian intervention stopped that but now Ukraine is once again breaking the Minsk Agreement and trying to kill these people.
And a bunch of brainwashed stupid Brits go to help the hard right nationalists kill ethnic Russians for "Ukrainian independence". Those are the people who should be put away on terrorism charges.
But instead the terrorists are celebrated and the medic trying to save civilians from genocide are branded the terrorists.
That is a sign of a ****ed up country.
As already stated the Neo Nazi group is a small splinter group, made up from foreign nationals across the world including Americans, so why you have turned this in to some Anti-British rant is rather strange.
Whilst as you can see, Britain has very strict rules in relation to Neo-Nazis, and as a country we have a long history of fighting fascism.
There are also numerous right wing terror groups in Russia, Europe, the US and other parts of the world, and they are not unique to Ukraine.
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An American neo-Nazi group which is led from Russia is to be banned as a terrorist organisation, the Home Secretary has said.
Priti Patel condemned "evil white supremacist groups, who target vulnerable people across the world".
The Base will be the fifth extreme right-wing group to be proscribed in the UK under anti-terror laws.
Last year BBC Panorama exposed the organisation's recruitments efforts in the UK.
A BBC investigation also exposed the group's American founder Rinaldo Nazzaro and revealed how he was directing The Base from his St Petersburg home.
The Base, formed in 2018, seeks to create terrorist cells in the US and other countries in an attempt to establish fascist, white ethno-states through a "race war".
A formal ban in the UK, which will come into force this week if approved by MPs, will make membership or support for the group a terrorism offence with a maximum sentence of 14 years in prison.
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