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View Poll Results: France would have been better without immigration
Yes. Immigrants brings more problems than they solve 135 61.09%
No. Immigrants save us. 20 9.05%
Same 10 4.52%
Impossible to know. There are to much factors to take in account 56 25.34%
Voters: 221. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-27-2017, 06:37 PM
 
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1. Black people didn't exactly "immigrate" to the US

2. Black people couldn't really fully vote (could be prevented from) until about only 50 years ago. So some of the comparisons here are off IMHO.

3. Perhaps the question should also be asked if France would have been as strong a country without colonizing across the world and gaining from it.

4. The extreme prejudice and discrimination against especially Italian Americans in the beginnings is something indeed often forgotten.
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Old 10-27-2017, 07:05 PM
 
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I'd seriously debate that Asians did not integrate: despite suffering real racism and violence ( not current "islamophobia") they grew to become one of the most successful categories of people in the US, often outearning and outdoing whites:as a matter of fact, some of the most vehement opposers to Affirmative Action are Asians.
Actually, a majority of Asian American voters do support affirmative action, contrary to popular myth.

And you're just repeating the old "model minority myth" where Asian Americans are used as wedge issues to pit against other ethnic groups.
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Old 10-27-2017, 07:25 PM
 
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No one say the contrary. We all know that if you are Portuguese, Asian (Chinese), or a Black man from Guadeloupe or a Black man from a French colonny, it is much easier to find a job than if you have Algerian/ Tunisian/Afghanistan backgrounds...
Menial jobs can go to anyone regardless of ethnicity. High-end jobs on the other hand go to "real" french first.
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Old 10-27-2017, 07:32 PM
 
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yet blacks and Asians didn't.
Maybe in America it is more about race/skin colour, not ethnicity. Without an accent you can't tell if a white American is Italian, Polish or Irish, can you. But you can always tell a person is black or Asian.
Being Asian in the US will not work against you in finding employment, renting an apartment, or being the preferred suspect of theft. Asians do not always integrate into mainstream society because they do not always chose to. It's not uncommon to see them taking what benefits them but do not want to be part of society. They make more than any other "race". Sure, they'll complain that there isn't Asian in politics and in cinema. But many Asian parents teach their kids to stick to their own kind only, and Asian-run businesses will NEVER hire an outsider.

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Old 10-28-2017, 02:08 AM
 
Location: france
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3. Perhaps the question should also be asked if France would have been as strong a country without colonizing across the world and gaining from it.

France didn't gain anything from colonisation.
The only french colony who were profiitable was "indochine" an disapear asian region.
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Old 10-28-2017, 02:41 AM
 
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Asians didn't integrate?
What do you mean by it? All the statistics I saw underline the succees of asians minority in opposition of black and latinos.
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I'd seriously debate that Asians did not integrate: despite suffering real racism and violence ( not current "islamophobia") they grew to become one of the most successful categories of people in the US, often outearning and outdoing whites:as a matter of fact, some of the most vehement opposers to Affirmative Action are Asians.
Being financially successful is not equivalent to social integration. Visit a campus such as UCLA, the majority of Asian students hang out with other Asian students. So far I haven't seen any Hollywood movies with Asians as the leading characters (barring a few stupid comedies or Kung Fu). A lot of Asians with great talent find it so hard to be successful in the American entertainment industry that they had to go to China/Taiwan to make it.

Asians make it financially in America, but far from being well integrated.

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Old 10-28-2017, 02:46 AM
 
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France didn't gain anything from colonisation.
The only french colony who were profiitable was "indochine" an disapear asian region.
oh, God, are you serious?

France's colonization has nothing to do with African resources?

Why did France attack Egypt in 1956 with the British and Israel, if not for the control of the Suez Canal?

Didn't gain anyway, then what was it for, for those places to become more prosperous societies? To bring cultural and art?

As the former Gabonese president well put it: Gabon without France is like a car with no driver. France without Gabon is like a car with no fuel.
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Old 10-28-2017, 03:08 AM
 
Location: france
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oh, God, are you serious?

France's colonization has nothing to do with African resources?

Why did France attack Egypt in 1956 with the British and Israel, if not for the control of the Suez Canal?

Didn't gain anyway, then what was it for, for those places to become more prosperous societies? To bring cultural and art?

As the former Gabonese president well put it: Gabon without France is like a car with no driver. France without Gabon is like a car with no fuel.

Totally serious.

Just a thing of the past, if you can invade a country, you invade it. That's how it works in the past.

We did, and?
It does not means, the colonization had brings money to France. All studies show the opposit.
France invest a lot in thoses places were tey were nothing. No roads, no rail network, no building, no organization...
And the thing is: it had cost more money than it bring to the country.
African colony weren't profitable. I'am sorry to break your bubble. But european succees has no link with colonization.
When africans claims that we stole them everything and that we are guilty of their failures, that's just lies and propagand to force us to give them money. Or accept their immigrants...

UK might be in a different situation, but french empire in africa is all about "the picture" and prstige.

Even liberation a far left newspaper said it...Africa4 - Les empires coloniaux étaient-ils rentables ? - Libération.fr
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Old 10-28-2017, 09:03 AM
 
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France didn't gain anything from colonisation.
The only french colony who were profiitable was "indochine" an disapear asian region.
The Gains for France of colonization.

1. Colonial Debt for the benefits of France colonization.
2. Automatic confiscation of national reserves of countries colonized.
3. Right of first refusal on any raw or natural resource discovered in the country.
4. Priority to French interests and companies in public procurement and public biding.
5. Exclusive right to supply military equipment and Train the country military officers.
6. Right for France to pre-deploy troops and intervene military in the country to defend its interests.
7. Obligation to make French the official language of the country and the language for education.
8. Obligation to use France colonial money (CFA).
9. Obligation to send France annual balance and reserve report.
10. Waiver to enter into military alliance with any other country unless authorized by France.
11. Obligation to ally with France in situation of war or global crisis.


Nobody is saying that Africa for example can and should blame all their problems on Europe or other invaders who colonized them and it is also fair to say that France (in this example) brought benefits but if think France did this just because it was "in" back then or out of the goodness of their hearts you are mistaken. It came with a price.
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Old 10-29-2017, 07:35 AM
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oh, God, are you serious?

France's colonization has nothing to do with African resources?

Why did France attack Egypt in 1956 with the British and Israel, if not for the control of the Suez Canal?

Didn't gain anyway, then what was it for, for those places to become more prosperous societies? To bring cultural and art?

As the former Gabonese president well put it: Gabon without France is like a car with no driver. France without Gabon is like a car with no fuel.
Don't waste your time with an unempolyed loser who does nothing but hate everything outside himself. A crap citoyen (citizen) if you ask me.
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