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Old 06-30-2017, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Near Luxembourg
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I took a sample of google streetviews totally randomly, except Paris I took neighborhoods of Paris with a bad reputation, some of the poorest we have:

London, idk where;
https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.49879...7i13312!8i6656

London, idk where again;
https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.52029...7i13312!8i6656

Napoli , randomly (Napoli got unlucky, this is a bad area...) Ofc the city is not entirely like this :
https://www.google.fr/maps/@40.85823...7i13312!8i6656

The core of the city is fine :
https://www.google.fr/maps/@40.84159...7i13312!8i6656


Google streetview can give a good POV fastly... I choosed areas in Paris with a very bad reputation, didn't search, just took a street randomly in the neighborhood :

Paris, La Goutte d'Or, a place in the middle of this 'no go zone' :
https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.88712...7i13312!8i6656

Paris, extreme north again, close to the peripherique boulevard :
https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.89383...7i13312!8i6656

Paris, extreme north-east, close to the peripherique boulevard again :
https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.88634...7i13312!8i6656

Paris, extreme south east, near Ivry (not a sweet spot lol):
https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.82558...7i13312!8i6656

La Courneuve, near one of the worst french ghetto:
https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.93024...7i13312!8i6656

In the middle of the "no go zone":
https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.93228...7i13312!8i6656

Few meters away from "porte de clignancourt, poor too :
https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.89580...7i13312!8i6656

here you are in the middle of La Grande Borne, definitely top 3 starting to the bottom where I would like to live. It's extremely poor , extremely extremely...Unemployment must be 50% here, it's the symbol of the fail of banlieues :
https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.65146...7i13312!8i6656

An other ghetto, The Picasso cité, a sea of poverty in an ocean of wealth :
https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.88890...7i13312!8i6656

I really put bad areas, that are seen by foreign medias (for some of them like Grande Borne /Courneuve, Goutte d'Or) as warzones .

Do we really have a filthy capital ? No.
Do we have a clean capital ? No.
Do we have an ultra dense capital? Yes.

Do we have a filthy RER that ruins the image of the city? F. yeah
After more viewing, I also accuse the sidewalks of Paris made with this ugly tar (? is it the good word) that looks specially ....ugly compare to pavements, everything else being equal.

Last edited by Pokitobounto; 06-30-2017 at 06:28 AM..
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Old 06-30-2017, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Do you find as a tourist Paris clean or dirty ?
Depends on how anal retentive you are, not on Paris.
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Old 07-01-2017, 01:29 AM
 
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I took a sample of google streetviews totally randomly, except Paris I took neighborhoods of Paris with a bad reputation, some of the poorest we have:

London, idk where;
https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.49879...7i13312!8i6656

London, idk where again;
https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.52029...7i13312!8i6656
Why do I know your sample is not random?

Your first streetview image of London is date-stamped 2012, whereas the unaltered streetview explorer usually defaults to the latest version (September 2016). You know, the view of the same road with all the new infrastructure and redevelopment.
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Old 07-01-2017, 02:21 AM
 
Location: Near Luxembourg
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Why do I know your sample is not random?

Your first streetview image of London is date-stamped 2012, whereas the unaltered streetview explorer usually defaults to the latest version (September 2016). You know, the view of the same road with all the new infrastructure and redevelopment.
Omg

Okay i ll post 30 of them be ready
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Old 07-01-2017, 02:29 AM
 
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Omg

Okay i ll post 30 of them be ready
I think better to let people sample randomly for themselves.
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Old 07-01-2017, 03:01 AM
 
Location: Near Luxembourg
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I think better to let people sample randomly for themselves.
Very true, and people that like/want to browse through SV won't even read that...

Some of them can click on these links too, just to see straight from CD. I always do it when there's a streetview link, I guess I'm not the only one on earth...


----------------------------------------------London (reference)----------------------------------------------------

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.52672...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.46782...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.48834...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.51246...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.48313...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.49938...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.51652...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.51303...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.50052...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.51315...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.55288...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.55256...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.47122...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.49088...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.49525...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.48740...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.54908...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.49181...7i13312!8i6656

I ll just stop with London


--------------------------------------------------------- Paris ----------------------------------------------------


Now the dirty Paris will have the same treatment, let’s see the diff with a clean “model” city and the filthy French capital (and its suburbs):

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.84194...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.84587...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.92022...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.88275...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.87782...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.87391...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.80902...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.81452...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.85838...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.84913...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.85775...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.80865...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.89336...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.97926...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.89099...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.85094...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.86354...7i13312!8i6656


If it can help you to feel better, I don't consider Paris cleaner than L at all . PLUS the RER is had a really bad aspect. But I forgive a little (not 100%) because Paris is also much more dense than Inner London.
I even showed La Courneuve (!), Cité Picasso (!), la Grande Borne (Damn), La Goutte d'Or, Porte de Clignancourt, Porte de la Chapelle. I mean , these aren't rich areas AT ALL, it's the total opposite, It's the Fox news No go zones. But most of the time I don't see running down infrastructures/buildings, like people think it is.

Here in the middle of Garge les Gonnesse, the "Cités-City" (this one is incredibly ugly, maybe ugliest city in France):
https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.97512...7i13312!8i6656

Sarcelles (x2):
https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.97938...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.97553...7i13312!8i6656


Now if people browse Google earth, It's ofc better
they can also click here and check.

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Old 07-01-2017, 03:54 AM
 
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No amount of cherry picking of street views is going to change the fact that Parisians still aren't tidying up properly after their pets. Sort that out and much of the city's bad reputation will go. Then you'll need to address public urination.

Last edited by Points of Convergence; 07-01-2017 at 04:13 AM..
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Old 07-04-2017, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Near Luxembourg
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No amount of cherry picking of street views is going to change the fact that Parisians still aren't tidying up properly after their pets. Sort that out and much of the city's bad reputation will go. Then you'll need to address public urination.
Cherry picking? Like cherry picking the North of Paris and La Courneuve, Gentilly, Aubervilliers, La Grande Borne ? Do you realize? Probably not.

There's no selection of streetview here, and some streets are very dirty, it's clearly visible.
If C.P., I can show the west only (Le Vésinet, Marne la Coquette, Saint-Cloud, Neuilly...) , and 16/15/8/7/6/5 only , ofc it ll be fine.

Things improved a lot recently. Nothing compare to 15 years ago.

Streetview shows everything in Paris, And the 18/20 spots I showed are quite representative overall. I don't see anything ultra clean, but nothing near Napoli's level too.
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Old 07-04-2017, 12:46 AM
 
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Cherry picking? Like cherry picking the North of Paris and La Courneuve, Gentilly, Aubervilliers, La Grande Borne ? Do you realize? Probably not.

There's no selection of streetview here, and some streets are very dirty, it's clearly visible.
If C.P., I can show the west only (Le Vésinet, Marne la Coquette, Saint-Cloud, Neuilly...) , and 16/15/8/7/6/5 only , ofc it ll be fine.

Things improved a lot recently. Nothing compare to 15 years ago.

Streetview shows everything in Paris, And the 18/20 spots I showed are quite representative overall. I don't see anything ultra clean, but nothing near Napoli's level too.
The problem isn't your choice of neighborhoods, but how you portray them.

The fact that you're messing around with timestamps is pretty straightforward evidence that your sample is not random.
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Old 07-04-2017, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Near Luxembourg
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Why else would you messing around with timestamps unless you're cherry-picking street views to portray a certain point of view?
Listen (well read). I just take my mouse, click randomly and copy-paste de link. That's all. Now if you don't believe me, you can cherry pick very dirty areas it's your choice.

Besides, people are totally free to scroll through the street. There's no "angles", it's not pictures , you can turn, you can move....

I showed randomly picked area. Believe it or not.
Even if it sounds impossible to see Paris not full of litters everywhere !
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